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      05-28-2023, 09:27 AM   #23
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Damn, wish we had speed in gear for the old cars to compare. The ratios/final drive are the same, but the redlines are different and the rear tire circumference is probably different as well.

Edit: I did math. G87 Rear tire circumference: 83.9 inches

F87 rear tire circumference: 82.6 inches
We do, I'll grab some of those in a moment and post them dating back the E46.

Though spoiler alert: the speed in gear is within a few percent for all the 6-sp manual M3s and M2s of the past 25 years.

Compared to the E46 M3, the G87's first three gears are 1 mph shorter, 3 mph longer, and 4 mph longer - a pretty small difference given the massive difference in engine output and torque.

But I'll post some pictures in a bit.

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Here are the speed in gears for a range of smallish BMWs of the past 20+ years. It starts with the G87 and then moves to the F82 M4, F87 M2, E92 M3, E82 135i, and E46 M3.

Its clear that BMW has defined targets for each gear given that speeds are all within a few percent over 20+ years despite big changes in engine configuration between models (and power output).

Clearly there is nothing new about the G87's gearing and it is strange that people want to complain about it now. A 100+ MPH 3rd gear has been pretty standard for performance cars since the late 90s!

Cars with shorter gears are cars without much power....

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They only want to complain about it now because that's what their favorite influencer told them to do.

Those of us that own them and are actually putting miles on them sing a different tune.
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[QUOTE=ourlee;30159219]I daily drove a manual Miata for 7 years. I’m so over driving a slow car. Watching jack from geese tune his 86, looks like a nightmare.

Ditto. I love the Miata for its fun-to-drive characteristics. It has been a lot of fun as I’ve learned a lot from auto crossing and track days. Now, I’m ready to try something new. That sets up some new challenges and gives me a ride that can travel comfortably and be a new learning tool at the track.
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