[Straight6Dave]

Originally Posted by trey100

But wasn't the change to the S55 in the M2 driven by emissions issues with the N55 in the OG and not necessarily intended as a planned big change for the "Comp"? Traditionally I imagine the regular and comp would be more like what they did with the F80 and G80 which would mean it could be offered out of the gate.

Yes, but it's also a great way to keep the model selling throughout the years.

First 2 years you catch the "gotta have it now" folks and in 2 years they'll be back to upgrade.

[ScullyD]

It seems pretty obvious that the M2 will be auto and manual and the M2C will likely be auto only (like the M3/M4) or hp restricted to 473hp 406ft lb of torque.

Any M2 CS/CSL will be auto only (a rumor that has already been stated).

There is 0 evidence they developed a new manual gearbox.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

It seems pretty obvious that the M2 will be auto and manual and the M2C will likely be auto only (like the M3/M4) or hp restricted to 473hp 406ft lb of torque.

Any M2 CS/CSL will be auto only (a rumor that has already been stated).

There is 0 evidence they developed a new manual gearbox.

Bang on ! Best theory for now.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Bang on ! Best theory for now.

The only way it's different is if they developed an all new gearbox for the 3.0 CSL. I suspect since that's a coach built car, it has left over parts from the F10 M5 gearbox.

Whatever is in that car as far as a gearbox will tell you what the score is for the M2 future models.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

It seems pretty obvious that the M2 will be auto and manual and the M2C will likely be auto only (like the M3/M4) or hp restricted to 473hp 406ft lb of torque.

Any M2 CS/CSL will be auto only (a rumor that has already been stated).

There is 0 evidence they developed a new manual gearbox.

Nothing is impossible

The 3.0 CSL Homage comes with 6MT

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Nothing is impossible

The 3.0 CSL Homage comes with 6MT

For sure, it could be a brand new gearbox like Porsche did with the 911R. If it is, it's going to spill into the M2. No one makes a new gearbox for one car (outside of like Pagani or Konenigsegg).

If it's not, then there will be no new gearbox.

[MadBimmeRad]

I wasn't saying they'll make a new gearbox, but there's nothing stopping them from using the Homage gearbox, if in demand

I was making that statement to demonstrate the existence of a 6mt mated to the S58

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by pz619

All I gotta say, is they better not screw us MT people over with this auto only Competition!

Personally I would not get your hopes up. Set the expectation bar low.

[pizza240]

I expect it's:
#1. M2 6MT and M2C zf8 released at same time.
#2. M2C xDrive zf8 later release.

This would align with what they did with the M3 and M4. That is, the xDrive arrived later.

I hope #2 isn't M2C w/6MT… That would be annoying AF.

Edit, I just read "2024". Thought it said 2023. That makes me less confident in what I said above.

[kyrix1st]

Screw the xDrive and screw the ZF8, give me DCT any day.
That being said, it's probably going to be a hybrid.

[akkando]

So are they removing the base model when the m2c comes out? No more MT maybe if so when that happens.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

It seems pretty obvious that the M2 will be auto and manual and the M2C will likely be auto only (like the M3/M4) or hp restricted to 473hp 406ft lb of torque.

Not obvious at all, since the G87 is following a different path to the G80/82. Also ynguldyn calls it a "changeover" in 2024.

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Any M2 CS/CSL will be auto only (a rumor that has already been stated).

Agree, CS and/or CSL will be auto only due to tq figures.

Originally Posted by ScullyD

There is 0 evidence they developed a new manual gearbox.

No need to develop new manual gearbox for Comp if it gets Base G80/82 hp and tq ratings(473/406).

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by akkando

So are they removing the base model when the m2c comes out? No more MT maybe if so when that happens.

Not if it gets bump to Base G80/G82 473hp/406tq. Which sounds most plausible.

[anitasanger]

Changeover could mean many things. At the most extreme, it could indicate the replacing of one model for another, or a more likely scenario could simply mean a changeover in available ordering options. IE, adding a comp package.

It makes no sense to exclude a consumer segment by cancelling a model that's already rolling off the assembly line, whether for those seeking a manual option, or simply affordability.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by anitasanger

Changeover could mean many things. At the most extreme, it could indicate the replacing of one model for another, or a more likely scenario could simply mean a changeover in available ordering options. IE, adding a comp package.

Normally ynguldyn would have wrote something like..."G87 M2 Competition - SOP 8/24". Like he does for all models. Instead he wrote, "The likely changeover from M2 to M2 Competition is 08/24".

Originally Posted by anitasanger

It makes no sense to exclude a consumer segment by cancelling a model that's already rolling off the assembly line, whether for those seeking a manual option, or simply affordability.

You are assuming there would be no manual option and there would be a large price increase.

[FrankieNuo]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

The point being is that the non-comp and comp where revealed at the same time. There was little to no secrecy that a competition model was going to be offered, unlike the current situation with the G87.

Furthermore, I was attempting to answer this.

They were revealed and released at the same exact time. The x-drive was the one that was a staggered release.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Not if it gets bump to Base G80/G82 473hp/406tq. Which sounds most plausible.

It's the word "changeover" that makes me suspicious.

[M Division]

Originally Posted by Beemer89

What dose this mean for the UK market ? As I swear we are only getting the M2 comp In the first place.

I personally would only let my G42 go for a M2 comp in X drive variant and even then if it looks anything like the leak photos I'll be sure to just keep my G42 and go down the pure turbo route.

Also that kind of wait for a Comp is ridiculous and if it's anything like now you can only imagine people won't realistically see there comps until 2025.

I am in the exact same boat and have the exact same plan.

[anitasanger]

Originally Posted by M3WC

You are assuming there would be no manual option and there would be a large price increase.

No, that's the either/or. It could potentially hinge on a manual option, or that might be irrelevant, and someone simply wants a cheaper car with less options.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by akkando

So are they removing the base model when the m2c comes out? No more MT maybe if so when that happens.

Originally Posted by M3WC

Not if it gets bump to Base G80/G82 473hp/406tq. Which sounds most plausible.

Originally Posted by akkando

It's the word "changeover" that makes new suspicious.

I understand, "changeover" seems to elude to something like the F87. Where the base model is ended and Comp replaces it. I was just commenting, if that does happen...the Comp could get bumped to Base M3/M4 hp/tq power levels and still retain a manual option. G87 already deviates from G80/G82 by offering auto on Base model. I think people need to stop comparing G87 and G80/G82 lifecycles, it is clear BMW has different plans for G87. Comp model doesn't have to mean auto only.

[mbanck]

It'd be funny if BMW said "You wanted traditional M2 values, so we gave you that", i.e. replacing the base with competition as has been the case for EVERY SINGLE ITERATION of the M2 so far, while apparently wiping out everything else the M2 stood for according to fellow forum members here.

[WWM3]

Given that the previous "changeover" was due to emissions, this is a bit of a head scratcher.