[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by NotSharocks

How do these compare to the 997.1 GT3?

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They don’t

Please don’t be ridiculous

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

🤣

They don’t

Please don’t be ridiculous

[M2PDX]

If the base, $64-$77,000 G87 is equal to or slightly improved over the limited edition, $90-$100,000 F87 M2 CS, then I'm overjoyed.

Plus, it has quite a bit of new tech that F87s (including mine) are missing (and a lack of rear axle hop that is really unsettling on fast driving on twisty roads).

[WWM3]

Do I understand correctly that the CS was wearing all season Contis?

[Covfefe]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

Have you driven a F87 and a G87 back to back, side by side? I have a B58 car and it’s a great motor indeed.

Drive a G87 hard then we can talk….

Seems like you need to get your butt-dyno recalibrated because the major reviews and dyno results disagree. Even the F87C's detuned S55 on California 91 provides significantly more torque below 4500rpm in a lighter package. G87 looks to have a MUCH better curve overall, but low end torque is not improved compared to last gen.

[NotSharocks]

Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

🤣

They don’t

Please don’t be ridiculous

Hey man at the markups right now, 997.1 GT3's are within IDGAF money range lol

OP please tell us you still have the mezger hahaha

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

First time I hear people praising the low end torque of the S58.
It is usually different and the data actually shows that the S58 under 3500 RPM is...lagging...

Exactly. I was also surprised to read the OP's comment. The S58 lags in low RPM, but has a linear power band and feels somewhat like an NA motor. The B58 and S55 have more low end power and are unabashedly turbo engines in character.

[10"]

Originally Posted by M2CS

Not to point out the elephant in the room, but this isn't really an objetive test of either car. There's no video or data to support anything. That's like someone making a thread that they just tested a G87 vs Mustang around a mysterious "personal" racetrack and their findings was that the Mustang was better. Then they post a pic of a Mustang being washed as some sort of evidence to provide validity to their "test". Personal preference for either car is of course fine, but again there was no objective test conducted.

Lol WUT??

Nobody needs data or video to give an opinion. LOL

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by WWM3

Do I understand correctly that the CS was wearing all season Contis?

Yep, I wil have it on Cu 2’s this weekend.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by NotSharocks

Hey man at the markups right now, 997.1 GT3's are within IDGAF money range lol

OP please tell us you still have the mezger hahaha

Yes that’s correct

However M2.2 is quite far from the 997.1 GT3’s

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

First time I hear people praising the low end torque of the S58.
It is usually different and the data actually shows that the S58 under 3500 RPM is...lagging...

He has the 8-speed automatic, which works better with the S58 powerband. The car feels more lively more of the time with it.

[aaaaah]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

No, still on the all season Conti’s. I wondered how much of a diff that might make so this weekend I’ll swap over to the brand new Cup 2 set of wheels and run the entire thing again and give you my OPINION again.

Eager to see your opinion when both are on summer tyres. Is the G87 on Michelins (assuming PS not C2)?

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by aaaaah

Eager to see your opinion when both are on summer tyres. Is the G87 on Michelins (assuming PS not C2)?

Yes, Michelin PS4

[wavyyyy]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

He has the 8-speed automatic, which works better with the S58 powerband. The car feels more lively more of the time with it.

Powerband is powerband regardless of the transmission mated to it.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by wavyyyy

Powerband is powerband regardless of the transmission mated to it.

There's a reason E46 M3 guys swapped in the 4.10 Dinan final gear back in the day. Powerband is powerband, gearing is gearing.

[440i6MT]

It's like a modern e46 M3 CSL vs. e92 M3 debate

Both are great cars. The e92 was too fat and didn't look as good. Kind of like... what people say now.

Of course, hindsight is 20-20. Maybe BMW comes out with some dreck in twenty years that will make the G87 look like a classic lol

[Basketcase]

Originally Posted by wavyyyy

Powerband is powerband regardless of the transmission mated to it.

Not really... yes the engine makes the same "powerband" but the transmission is what delivers it to the wheels, and that is what you feel from the seat of your pants...

Everyone is saying the "reviews" disagree with his statement (inferring them to be more correct than his "opinion"), yet most of the reviews state the auto version felt much better suited to the engine tune and power delivery and made it much "livelier"... Which he has in his G87, and his CS is 6MT.

So you either believe the reviews in whole (not just the part of saying no torque down low), or just believe what he is stating as his own feelings and don't compare them to reviews.

[XC3LLR8]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

ENGINE
G87 is a beast! The low end torque is frightening! My 45 mph/4th gear pulls made me think it wanted to take off and fly. And it pulls all the way thru the tach. Sounds great too!
F87 is incredible and once wound up it flies but the pulls from down below just don’t have the punch of the G87. But man it will fly too.

Are you sure you didn't get these two reversed? Saying the G87's low end torque is frightening is exactly opposite of every other review I've watched/read.

[jhall1957]

Originally Posted by XC3LLR8

Are you sure you didn't get these two reversed? Saying the G87's low end torque is frightening is exactly opposite of every other review I've watched/read.

Not a scientific conclusion just a “feeling” and opinion. May be because of the aggressiveness I had auto at or any number of things.

[bholler]

F gen looks better
G gen drives better

Seems to be the trend and 100% should be the case for sure of driving but a bummer they are not building an exterior design aesthetic that is near universally revered.

[MMMGuy60]

Originally Posted by wavyyyy

Interesting, I appreciate the insight. I have a 6MT G80, my first 6MT car and I'm glad I do, but nice to know another reason why I'm slower than the auto

Automatic versions of most sportscars are faster than their manual counterpart for at least 10+ years. While there is no doubt that automatic is faster, manual is more fun period.

[Allerum]

Originally Posted by MMMGuy60

Automatic versions of most sportscars are faster than their manual counterpart for at least 10+ years. While there is no doubt that automatic is faster, manual is more fun period.

Depends on your fun. If your fun is engagement then yeah. But if your fun is speed and laptimes then no it's not.