[M2Cmtl]

Well for one, a manual F87 M2CS will be probably be the last manual CS so thats a reason right there to keep it.

[x Spades x]

I mean... this is to be exoected, no? The new car shoukd be faster, better interior, tech upgrades... feel less connected... styling subjective.

I dont know what people were expecting? The reason NOT to gett ANY successor, is because of the styling and less feel... bc everything else will be better. Why have a sucvessor that's worse?

Thats like the PS5 before less powerful than the PS4... some people are dumb.

[MooMooM2]

I am glad you love the G87. I saw one at the dealership and it did not look that bad at all. Big road presence for sure and the blue actually is nice irl.

But lets put it this way, if I was undecided btw both this would not be a comparison that would sway me another way or the other. Just because someone owns both cars. I want to know how they drive, not which is faster or has more tech, obviously the new car will have that or bmw would not sell many. But how does the car drive? Maybe silly but if you have not tracked either car I don't think you know how they feel at the limit or which one gives more back to you. The new one will be grippier, faster, better this and that but is it more fun? I drove a g80 around a track and the car was amazing, super fast, stable and lovely seating position, then I drove a f87 and although the G was faster, more precise and if all I cared for was times would be better, the f87 was just more fun and thats that.

I don't dislike the g87 either, actually annoyed with all the hate for it because just let people like wtf they like. Its very BMW which everyone just hates everything and can't stfu about it. Again glad you like the new car, congrats in have 2 awesome cars.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by NathObeaN

I don’t understand why people are so upset about TH comments? It was a lightly comedic way to illustrate turbo lag, that’s all.

People said similar things about the F8X in that changing between gears in the manual variants was sluggish vs. manual because of the turbo lag. Other cars do the same thing based turbo configuration.

Pulling from 4th gear like that isn’t entirely realistic, but it was to illustrate a point, a point which they praised the AT for being superior. People are way too sensitive.

What TH did was either intentionally misleading or sadly ill informed about how to operate a car with a manual transmission. NO ONE who has ANY experience with a manual transmission would fail to shift in those circumstances. The e92 V8 (with only 289 lb. feet of torque would have done worse with a similar incompetent driver).

So in my mind, they soiled themselves.

My opinion only.

[jhall1957]

[QUOTE=M2PDX;30120360]What TH did was either intentionally misleading or sadly ill informed about how to operate a car with a manual transmission. NO ONE who has ANY experience with a manual transmission would fail to shift in those circumstances. The e92 V8 (with only 289 lb. feet of torque would have done worse with a similar incompetent driver).

So in my mind, they soiled themselves.

My opinion only.

Funny you say this. I drive the G87 again this morning down my race course and did 3 pulls from a dead stop and the 8 speed makes this pull hard from a stop. No lauch mode, just full pedal. Reminds me of the 0-60 runs we did in C8 at Spring Mtn. Felt just as strong.The motor may lack bottom end torque but 8 speed covers really well for it.

Doing the TH pulls, it’s even hard to get the 8 speed not to drop down a few gears. Either they decided they didn’t want the manual to do well before or they don’t understand the idea of down shifting.

[MMMGuy60]

Originally Posted by veenut28

If I were in the market for a new sports coupe, I think I’d get the G87. F87 is not a good value on the used car market. Even M2C with 20k miles are selling at near MSRP. And the CS sellers are just not reading the market.

Not sure that I’d trade the F87 for the G87 though. That’s like divorcing your wife and celebrating by marrying her uglier, fatter sister.

Except that the current wife is aged like rotten milk and only their owner still drink that and talking shit about her sister is the only attention they are going to get.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by MooMooM2

I am glad you love the G87. I saw one at the dealership and it did not look that bad at all. Big road presence for sure and the blue actually is nice irl.

But lets put it this way, if I was undecided btw both this would not be a comparison that would sway me another way or the other. Just because someone owns both cars. I want to know how they drive, not which is faster or has more tech, obviously the new car will have that or bmw would not sell many. But how does the car drive? Maybe silly but if you have not tracked either car I don't think you know how they feel at the limit or which one gives more back to you. The new one will be grippier, faster, better this and that but is it more fun? I drove a g80 around a track and the car was amazing, super fast, stable and lovely seating position, then I drove a f87 and although the G was faster, more precise and if all I cared for was times would be better, the f87 was just more fun and thats that.

I don't dislike the g87 either, actually annoyed with all the hate for it because just let people like wtf they like. Its very BMW which everyone just hates everything and can't stfu about it. Again glad you like the new car, congrats in have 2 awesome cars.

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[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by veenut28

If I were in the market for a new sports coupe, I think I’d get the G87. F87 is not a good value on the used car market. Even M2C with 20k miles are selling at near MSRP. And the CS sellers are just not reading the market.

Not sure that I’d trade the F87 for the G87 though. That’s like divorcing your wife and celebrating by marrying her uglier, fatter sister.

That is what they are hoping for, however, the car will not go at that amount.
2020 M2C with 20k miles will go for below $55k which is at least 10% below MSRP

3 months ago, Carvana offered me for the 2021 M2C with 7k miles on it, like new, $55.2k...

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by Tag

Shame the G87 was AT. All the controversy with the #TH4GC was over the MT.

My god, thanks for putting me down that TH4GC rabbit hole. That TH thread is a safe-space echo chamber of hurt feelings. Funnily enough, that TH M2 review even included a cognizant, relatively tangential bit about how bitter forum-goers can be, and--go figure--there's a 12 page thread about people over-analyzing a tiny, 30-second segment of an entire review and claiming bias, accusations of overplaying for views, straight out denial, and cries that they're trying to "get back" at BMW. Amazing delusion across that entire thread.

[mzimand]

Originally Posted by NotSharocks

How do these compare to the 997.1 GT3?

Totally different driving experiences. The steering on the Porsche has amazing feedback, it is a true sports car and weighs 800lbs less. Plus it is a Porsche GT car which not many cars compare well too.

I have a have a 997.2 Carrera and a G42 with a G87 on order and being built. I just sold my GT4. I have driven a 997, 991 and 992 GT3 and love my BMW but they are completely different feeling cars.

Not to mention the 997 GT3 is 2-3x the price

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by 2020_M2CS

We need a g87vs dark horse

Ford needs to ship it first, yah?

[yoboi]

Squidget ASAP Ended up deleting my original comment but forgot to clarify, meant the S65 in the E90/E92/E93 M3. And as far as Porsche I think I mentioned GT cars, though you can(or could) get characterful engines in the cayman and boxster 4.0 up until recently since they’re no longer in production. At 95k it’s definitely not GT car pricing though with options closer to 110k for sure.

Edit: The GTS 4.0’s are still being made for the 2024 MY year. As for the S65’s power that’s a fair complaint, I feel like a 4.10 diff makes it feel a lot better, but kinda like an AP1 S2000, charismatic as hell but gutless at low rpms.

[Pack19]

hi all! I have come to ignite the F87 vs G87 war! hahaha just joking. I have been trying to find a suspension/chassis comparison between these two generations, I thought this would be a great place to ask.

Since OP has both vehicles, maybe when having some time with these up the jack we can have some comparison pictures. I am trying to find more information on the FL5 vs the FK8 as well, given that these cars seem to be an evolution on previous generations. I would love this as a mech engineer myself.
Thanks a lot and congrats on owning such amazing cars!

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

That is what they are hoping for, however, the car will not go at that amount.
2020 M2C with 20k miles will go for below $55k which is at least 10% below MSRP

3 months ago, Carvana offered me for the 2021 M2C with 7k miles on it, like new, $55.2k...

In December 2021, Vroom wanted to offer me 60K for 2020 with 13k miles... mind you I paid 60k for it in Aug 2019 lol brand new... I ended up trading in at BMW for 59.5K for my X3.

Carvana sent me an updated price a few weeks back not knowing I sold the car months ago... the new offer was $45k lmao.

There appears to be a major mismatch between wholesale and retail... however F87s and F80s in general are poorly priced in this market and once this new supply catches up, i could see a reckoning.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by Pack19

hi all! I have come to ignite the F87 vs G87 war! hahaha just joking. I have been trying to find a suspension/chassis comparison between these two generations, I thought this would be a great place to ask.

Since OP has both vehicles, maybe when having some time with these up the jack we can have some comparison pictures. I am trying to find more information on the FL5 vs the FK8 as well, given that these cars seem to be an evolution on previous generations. I would love this as a mech engineer myself.
Thanks a lot and congrats on owning such amazing cars!

The SavageGeese youtube video has a quick underchassis examinations of both gens.

[JustinHEMI]

Jackie Ding does a thorough walk under as well.

[Pack19]

Originally Posted by Squidget

The SavageGeese youtube video has a quick underchassis examinations of both gens.

Thank you both! I will take a look.

[baron95]

Originally Posted by jhall1957

So today i got to drive both cars down my “private race course”, twice!

I can tell you the F87 CS is a awesome car. Huge fun to drive, very precise, fast and handles like it’s on rails.

But….

The G87 is just a bit better in every way, that is if you can ignore the exterior looks. That’s the last I’ll say about that because I like the way it looks.

!

Great review - just saw it thanks. But.....I want to see pictures of the E30 too, don't neglect it.

P.S. I occasionally race SPEC E30 - so always a special place in my heart for them.

[duosview]

Do you think the G87cs is going to be better than the F87cs?

I don't have neither, but I need to decide either to get a F87cs or put deposit down for the new cs. thx

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by Year's_End

My god, thanks for putting me down that TH4GC rabbit hole. That TH thread is a safe-space echo chamber of hurt feelings. Funnily enough, that TH M2 review even included a cognizant, relatively tangential bit about how bitter forum-goers can be, and--go figure--there's a 12 page thread about people over-analyzing a tiny, 30-second segment of an entire review and claiming bias, accusations of overplaying for views, straight out denial, and cries that they're trying to "get back" at BMW. Amazing delusion across that entire thread.

So in short TH as the asshats they are, targeted precisely what to say / do to engender clicks n money on 30 secs of shite to stay relevant, in a crowded space of lame car reviewers telling you the car has seats and a steering wheel. They are relevant at all why?

They arent.

Their review even just the small part is marketing. They are fkd in the head as most reviewers are just telling much about a car you already know or can figure out on your own by driving/ testing it. Youtube car reviews are utterly forgettable in 99.9% of all cases.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by DSTR

So in short TH as the asshats they are, targeted precisely what to say / do to engender clicks n money on 30 secs of shite to stay relevant, in a crowded space of lame car reviewers telling you the car has seats and a steering wheel. They are relevant at all why?

They arent.

Their review even just the small part is marketing. They are fkd in the head as most reviewers are just telling much about a car you already know or can figure out on your own by driving/ testing it. Youtube car reviews are utterly forgettable in 99.9% of all cases.

Do you realize how insane this take is?

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by duosview

Do you think the G87cs is going to be better than the F87cs?

I don't have neither, but I need to decide either to get a F87cs or put deposit down for the new cs. thx

We don't really know much about the G87 CS. We are all assuming, however, that it will automatic only.

It will be faster, stick to the road better, etc.

But if you want a 6MT, the f87 may be the way to go.

Or, just buy a standard G87 6MT. I like mine over the two f87 CS's I've driven.