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      05-12-2023, 06:14 PM   #45
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You know every new model of every car outperforms the last . Just like the new iPhones outperform the last .

Motor trend has an article I’m sure saying how good the m2cs is over the M2C . I’m sure there is also an article that says the M2C is better then the previous m2.

There will be future articles saying how the new M2C or m2cs will outperform this as well ….
I still think the iPhone X was my fav. Haha. While I thought the extra 200+ lbs would adversely impact its handling, an active suspension should make it better around a track.
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The new M2 is twice the car of the old one, but with it only being 20-30lbs lighter than the M4 and having no xDrive option, less tech with the drivers assistance pack missing some items & having lower quality leather (no ventilated seats either), how can the M2 be better than the M4 in objective way?

If the tiny fraction on the track from the weight means that much, the C7/8 Z06 is probably the better option.
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everyone needs to stop reading reviews and just get what they want to get—-nauseating how much emphasis everyone puts on reviews these days.
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I agree with you though on only buying cars for myself that I naturally want to look at as I approach from across a parking lot, open the garage door, or look back at as I walk away. For me the G87 is that car where as the G42 is not.
The only reason anyone would want to look back at the G87 and appreciate it (vs the G42) is if they were a true M car snob. In that case, pony up and buy a M3, M4, M5, or M8 which all look better than Legoland, even the pig nose/beaver teeth is somehow less offensive… at least you can appreciate the G80/2 from multiple angles.
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everyone needs to stop reading reviews and just get what they want to get—-nauseating how much emphasis everyone puts on reviews these days.
It’s the times we live in

More organic to some degree vs mainstream media
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MT doesn't exactly think the look of the G42 is anything to write home about either.

"We'll resist commentary on the styling of the new 2 Series other than saying our impression didn't change once we saw it in the metal. This isn't a design that must be viewed up close to be understood. It looks like it does in photos—make of that what you will."

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...-drive-review/

I agree with you though on only buying cars for myself that I naturally want to look at as I approach from across a parking lot, open the garage door, or look back at as I walk away. For me the G87 is that car where as the G42 is not.

G42 and F87 are invisible cars. People wouldn't look twice thinking it's just another BMW. I wasn't interested in any 2 series until the G87.
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The only reason anyone would want to look back at the G87 and appreciate it (vs the G42) is if they were a true M car snob. In that case, pony up and buy a M3, M4, M5, or M8 which all look better than Legoland, even the pig nose/beaver teeth is somehow less offensive… at least you can appreciate the G80/2 from multiple angles.
I've only owned 1 BMW, never owned a M car and actually think most prior M designs are pretty romanticized, so I don't know what to tell you. The fact that you can't accept that someone might genuinely like the appearance of a car that you find horrendous says a lot about you.
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The only reason anyone would want to look back at the G87 and appreciate it (vs the G42) is if they were a true M car snob. In that case, pony up and buy a M3, M4, M5, or M8 which all look better than Legoland, even the pig nose/beaver teeth is somehow less offensive… at least you can appreciate the G80/2 from multiple angles.
The wider fenders, aggressive air dams, CF roof contrast, striking rear bumper treatment complete with 4 huge tailpipes, and overall stance are the reasons I look back at the M2 more than I did with my old G42.

I've gotten a significant amount of positive attention in my G87s (Brooklyn Grey and Zandvoort Blue). Literally just had a random knock on my window while I was parked taking a call in the car earlier today.

It's subjective, so it's OK for you to hate it. Lots of people do not share your opinion.
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Amazingly, a lot of people refused to believe that. There are people who think the BASE F87 (not even the Comp) can keep up with the G87. Or that the G87 is far inferior to the Comp. Hopefully this puts the nail in the coffin of those arguments.
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I have to admit I lose time with a manual but I don’t care haha.
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G42 and F87 are invisible cars. People wouldn't look twice thinking it's just another BMW. I wasn't interested in any 2 series until the G87.
Haha so mmmguy which m isn’t invisible to you?
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It's subjective, so it's OK for you to hate it. Lots of people do not share your opinion.
Sure, but far more do share my opinion. Just read all the reviews, the forums, shall I continue? The overall opinion is this car is a significant downgrade in looks from the F87. It’s just a fact. I am supremely disappointed in the design as I was going to trade in my g42 for it but refuse to pay any money for something that many and most important myself consider revolting.
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Objectively, of course the G87 will outperform all the F87s, although most of the metrics vs. the CS are certainly within a reasonable degree of uncertainty based on driving conditions.

Plenty of reviewers said they prefer the F87. Now, some prefer the G87. Just like some preferred the F87 CS over the Cayman GTS and others prefer the Cayman.

I’m not trying to crap on a G87 thread, I actually like the car. It appears to be an amazing value. I can’t think of a current year car on sale within $15K that I would rather buy as a daily. I would get the 6MT.
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Sure, but far more do share my opinion. Just read all the reviews, the forums, shall I continue? The overall opinion is this car is a significant downgrade in looks from the F87. It’s just a fact. I am supremely disappointed in the design as I was going to trade in my g42 for it but refuse to pay any money for something that many and most important myself consider revolting.
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Sure, but far more do share my opinion. Just read all the reviews, the forums, shall I continue? The overall opinion is this car is a significant downgrade in looks from the F87. It’s just a fact. I am supremely disappointed in the design as I was going to trade in my g42 for it but refuse to pay any money for something that many and most important myself consider revolting.
Not a fact at all.

Ran into the same thing with the G82. I took delivery of my first one basically at launch (April 2021). The online vocal minority hated it and swore owners would be embarrassed to be seen in it; meanwhile, I got unsolicited props left and right from tons of people in person. If you rode with me, you’d be convinced that BMW made a hit design based purely on all of the attention and random positive feedback.

Ironically, there are several anecdotes of people who hated the G80/82 design and now like it and have even bought one. I have no doubt the same will occur with the G87.

If you don’t like it, stand on your opinion yourself and don’t call it fact.
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Not a fact at all.

Ran into the same thing with the G82. I took delivery of my first one basically at launch (April 2021). The online vocal minority hated it and swore owners would be embarrassed to be seen in it; meanwhile, I got unsolicited props left and right from tons of people in person.

If you don’t like it, stand on your opinion yourself and don’t call it fact.
It’s an absolute fact that the majority opinion is the g87 is ugly. Did you not read this review on the thumbs down parts? Have you not been paying attention to many other reviews, throttle house, etc? Forget about the G82, yeah that has a negative overall opinion too, but that still doesn’t change the fact this thing is still damn ugly by the majority of media. FACT. The only truly subjective opinion here is comparing the two and I never said the G82 looks fantastic. What planet do you live on?
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Not a fact at all.

Ran into the same thing with the G82. I took delivery of my first one basically at launch (April 2021). The online vocal minority hated it and swore owners would be embarrassed to be seen in it; meanwhile, I got unsolicited props left and right from tons of people in person. If you rode with me, you’d be convinced that BMW made a hit design based purely on all of the attention and random positive feedback.

Ironically, there are several anecdotes of people who hated the G80/82 and now like it and have even bought one.

If you don’t like it, stand on your opinion yourself and don’t call it fact.
This is so true, the online car culture is so echo chamber-y compared to the average person into cars.

All of mine and my wife's coworkers who enjoy cars are psyched to see the M2 and have been very positive about it.

You can see this with pretty much anything online, negative sentiments always gets way more traction than positive ones.
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Sure, but far more do share my opinion. Just read all the reviews, the forums, shall I continue? The overall opinion is this car is a significant downgrade in looks from the F87. It’s just a fact. I am supremely disappointed in the design as I was going to trade in my g42 for it but refuse to pay any money for something that many and most important myself consider revolting.
Forum and Youtube are bad judgment in general. Every time there is a new gen of any car, the previous owners are all butt hurt because their aged car is no longer the talk of the town. C8 Vette, GR86, Wrx, Z, Supra etc etc... After a year or two, they will be accepted as a better car than their previous gen. It is like clockwork, the G87 will no doubt go down as a better car and dare I say, better looking too. All you F87 owners and trolls need to take a chill pill.
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Meh. I don't care about the popularity contest. I like it, that's all that matters to me. I feel no need to defend the car, my self esteem does not hinge on the opinions of the crowd.
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Objectively - $$. Agility. A gas tank with 2 less gallons of capacity. Seriously that 13.7 at 16-18 mpg manual would drive me nuts, that’s like 55-65 miles for a 1/4 tank.
I currently average between 20 and 22 MPG g80x 50% traffic. Several reviews put this at 30 mpg straight hwy testing. I just don't feel the need to be all up in the boost all the time. Which Is why I like this car so much, such a true Jekyll Commute and Hyde for the Track.
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This is so true, the online car culture is so echo chamber-y compared to the average person into cars.

All of mine and my wife's coworkers who enjoy cars are psyched to see the M2 and have been very positive about it.

You can see this with pretty much anything online, negative sentiments always gets way more traction than positive ones.
This is exactly it: if you're not in the car community, you pretty much love ZB and the new M2 is more than acceptable design-wise. Everywhere I have been in mine I heard that. It's mostly BMW or car people in general that don't like it. Either way it's a hell of a performer for the dollars.
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I currently average between 20 and 22 MPG g80x 50% traffic. Several reviews put this at 30 mpg straight hwy testing. I just don't feel the need to be all up in the boost all the time. Which Is why I like this car so much, such a true Jekyll Commute and Hyde for the Track.
I was talking about the M2.
But you must drive pretty chill. I averaged 18 on my G80cx.
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Finally got to see the car in person for the first time. I suspect a lot of the negative commentary here is from people who haven’t really seen this car. I stood there admiring it for a good 20 or so minutes, just taking it in. It’s just breathtakingly beautiful! BMW really really knocked it out of the park.

Funny thing is, the M2 was parked right next to the M4 including a few other regular models nearby and the grill (which gets the most flak) looks modern, different, and amazing in comparison! I really think BMW has found it’s new design language with this and won’t be surprised this gets carried over across their models.

Can’t wait to get this in my hand, the wait is pure torture lol, especially now that i’ve seen it.
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