[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by wavyyyy

Seems like you’re in the same boat as me. The M2 is supposed to be the more fun one and the M3/M4 are the more serious ones.

That’s what Cammisa and TH are saying as well but you’ll be chastised around these parts for feeling that way. Objectively my G80 drives better than my F87C did but honestly the F87C was more fun. I never felt safe in it and that was charming.

There's nothing wrong with feeling like a car should be a certain way or more like the last one, just like there's nothing wrong with not wanting it to be that way. Like jmg mentioned, he wants the M2 to be a little rougher around the edges compared to his M4 where I want it to be a lot more buttoned up than my 335i. It's all about what we want to use that particular car for and neither of us are wrong. I've also read reviews that say it's different enough and more of a wild child than the M4 but definitely not to the extent that the F87 was.

To your other point... most people being "chastised" don't know how to conduct themselves in a respectful manner, act as if opinion is fact, or come in guns blazing with the same negative remarks on the exterior design thread after thread. It just gets old after a while. Everyone's opinions should be welcomed so long that they express them coherently. There's practically no point in these forums otherwise

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by AlpineBoost

To your other point... most people being "chastised" don't know how to conduct themselves in a respectful manner, act as if opinion is fact, or come in guns blazing with the same negative remarks on the exterior design thread after thread. It just gets old after a while. Everyone's opinions should be welcomed so long that they express them coherently. There's practically no point in these forums otherwise

100% this. Almost without exception, the people taking the most flak are, frankly, being dicks. Basic decorum: say it clearly, say it with respect, only say it once, agree to disagree, and things will fine.

[ourlee]

Why do you care if people dig the m2? Why? I dig it, but don’t care if anyone doesn’t. Decorum? Wut?

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by ourlee

Why do you care if people dig the m2? Why? I dig it, but don’t care if anyone doesn’t. Decorum? Wut?

I don't care if people like the M2. I *DO* care that they are shitposting up the forums, being dicks, and getting in the way of actual conversations. Simple as that.

[ourlee]

Like I said, why do you care?

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by AlpineBoost

There's nothing wrong with feeling like a car should be a certain way or more like the last one, just like there's nothing wrong with not wanting it to be that way. Like jmg mentioned, he wants the M2 to be a little rougher around the edges compared to his M4 where I want it to be a lot more buttoned up than my 335i. It's all about what we want to use that particular car for and neither of us are wrong. I've also read reviews that say it's different enough and more of a wild child than the M4 but definitely not to the extent that the F87 was.

To your other point... most people being "chastised" don't know how to conduct themselves in a respectful manner, act as if opinion is fact, or come in guns blazing with the same negative remarks on the exterior design thread after thread. It just gets old after a while. Everyone's opinions should be welcomed so long that they express them coherently. There's practically no point in these forums otherwise

Truth my friend… 💯

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by ourlee

Like I said, why do you care?

That’s a fantastic question for people who spend time here despite having zero intention of ever purchasing the car.

At least owners with an actual ~$70k invested have a concrete connection to the car and this forum. Coming here to hate or rain on the parade is far less defensible behavior.

[deneed4spd]

Back in the day Chris Harris did a video that measured the fun meter of his M2 vs an Audi. All this chat about the old m2 being more fun vs the G87 being more polish reminds me of the video. See 5:25.

https://www.supercars.net/blog/chris...he-new-bmw-m2/

Maybe Jason and TH is more focused on edgy fun and others think more composed is fun. Guess everyone’s fun meter is diff. Just have to figure out which one you gravitate to. I prefer the old fun hence I left the G87 and went elsewhere . No right or wrong. But it sometimes is annoying when one leans one side of the fun meter, the other side thinks that person is an idiot.

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by deneed4spd

Back in the day Chris Harris did a video that measured the fun meter of his M2 vs an Audi. All this chat about the old m2 being more fun vs the G87 being more polish reminds me of the video. See 5:25.

https://www.supercars.net/blog/chris...he-new-bmw-m2/

Maybe Jason and TH is more focused on edgy fun and others think more composed is fun. Guess everyone’s fun meter is diff. Just have to figure out which one you gravitate to. I prefer the old fun hence I left the G87 and went elsewhere . No right or wrong. But it sometimes is annoying when one leans one side of the fun meter, the other side thinks that person is an idiot.

So I guess they missed the edgy fun (sic) this car is capable of?

[deneed4spd]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

So I guess they missed the edgy fun (sic) this car is capable of?

Maybe you have to turn off everything to make it more edgy since it’s so planted? If u drive the OG 8/10 you get edgy fun, but maybe u have to drive the G87 to the 9.9/10 with stuff turned off to get that edginess. I’m just speculating since I don’t own a G87 and have no skill to actually drive the G87 to that skill level.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by ourlee

Like I said, why do you care?

Because I don't like wading through garbage to get to the good bits.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

The G87 will apply more g-force to your body on practically every axis than the last car, and will still step out on you if you turn off all the traction and stability software. When you're driving normally, the car is comfortable and safe. For anyone looking for a performance car, the car offers a fantastic ownership experience and is objectively excellent.

I would absolutely rather have one G87 than a fleet of GR86s.

Agreed

And GR86’s are nothing special IMO

[10"]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

here is his current garage: https://www.hagerty.com/drivers-club...e/jasoncammisa

makes sense why he doesn't like the M2.

odd though because he seemed to really like the G80. but maybe its because he viewed it more as a 'agile M5'.

It’s quite a wonderful garage, really!

everyone needs to chill out on getting baited by reviews. Be old school and drive what you want to—don’t care so much what everyone thinks. The modern condition…

[Davil]

He’s going to taze a few of you.

One of the finest videos ever made if you are a car guy and also explains how his mind works. (Which I love). It might be different to yours but that’s what makes the world go ‘round.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=meEvjRXtwxg

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Coming here to hate or rain on the parade is far less defensible behavior.

Anonymity not only lowers inhibitions but removes the need to defend behavior.

Online disinhibition started on day one and will never change.

[ASAP]

The way I read this is that the new M2 is a much better performance car... well, can't argue there... win win again.

Sounds like Camissa misses the old car that is all over the place... no thx... keep it.

[ourlee]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Because I don't like wading through garbage to get to the good bits.

I’ve seen zero schit talk on PHD or Sean’s threads. On the meat and potatoes threads nothing. Perhaps I learned toughness dd a Miata for 7 years then right into a TT

[ourlee]

Originally Posted by m2ss

Anonymity not only lowers inhibitions but removes the need to defend behavior.

Online disinhibition started on day one and will never change.

Which is exactly why y’all need to ZFG like the rick

[Humdizzle]

just posted. looks like they start off talking about the M2.

cliffs:
- he spent a week daily drivng the new M2
- too big
- poor riding luxury car that is trying to be a sports car. He equates it to being a heavy luxury car that its suspension swapped with a track cars.
- F87 is a better car in almost every way
- the UI is terrible (things buried deep within it, auto starts with lane assist, etc)
- if only comparing to modern rivals its ok (steering is ok, it has a manual)

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by Davil

He’s going to taze a few of you.

One of the finest videos ever made if you are a car guy and also explains how his mind works. (Which I love). It might be different to yours but that’s what makes the world go ‘round.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=meEvjRXtwxg

Like I said before, I have no beef with Jason nor his reviews. I love the 'Know It All' bits he does, for example. I just need a daily driver, and that's not how he reviews cars.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Like I said before, I have no beef with Jason nor his reviews. I love the 'Know It All Bits' he does, for example. I just need a daily driver, and that's not how he reviews cars.

The Revelations ones are good as well. I love the one on the FD RX-7. While I might not always agree with the Hagerty new car "reviews"/ICONS, the production quality is so top notch that they're almost always worth a watch.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW3C...p=ygUGYm13IG0y

just posted. looks like they start off talking about the M2.

I've only listened to a few of these episodes. Takes a good 4-6 mins to really start talking about the M2. 10 minutes in and they've convinced me to skip the M2 altogether and get a Dino 246 or Lancia Stratos instead.

Its been real, y'all ✌️