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After all the debates and speculation in the M2 forum, you stuck with it and are happy with the car. This has pushed me over the edge, I've oscillated for months but your comments below won me over. I'm ordering a manual M2 tomorrow.
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My G87 is slated to arrive this month and I'm extremely excited. I've been watching a lot of video reviews and one thing bothered me, which I hope is not the case: Do you really have to go through the i-Drive menu (or engage Sport Mode) to disable the safety nannies every time you start the car, or does it just keep the previous settings? What about if you press your M1 or M2 button? Personally I like the blind spot warning lamp on the mirrors and the cross traffic alert has saved me backing out of a few parking spots, but damn, I CAN'T STAND the steering intervention or the automatic braking. What about the start/stop "feature" and the exhaust settings? In my soon to be gone M8, it keeps my preferred settings even without pressing my M buttons or anything else. Can you please tell us what the deal is with this? Thanks in advance. |
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Thank you! I'll try to address your questions one by one; 1) It appears that although you can adjust the sensitivity of nannies which locks in, you do need to disable them each time. I tried this today by disabling "steering intervention," but when I restarted the car, "steering intervention" was re-enabled. That being said, in iDrive 8 in this car, if you press the "M-Mode" button and select "sport (or track)," most of the nannies are disabled. So that's a short cut to take them all out, and, I run with "sport" mode most of the time. It appears some reviewers are confused as to what this button does, but it only addresses the displays, it doesn't not change M modes or anything like that. In fact, that's one of our biggest complaints about this system, there is no way to tied this display button, and thus the nannies, to the M1 and M2 buttons. That's a huge miss IMO. I want to tie this functionality to my M buttons. 2) Start/Stop stays off when you disable it, and it can be configured in the M1 and M2 buttons. 3) There isn't much to do with exhaust settings. It changes with whatever mode the engine is in (comfort, sport, sport+), and there's an exhaust button on the center console that appears to turn on/off "M sound." I never touch that button for anything. I wish I could make it simply open and close the exhaust valves, but nah. Hope that helps!
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They are working on idrive8, and I told them I'm a willing guinea pig to try stuff. We'll see.
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My wife recently leased an i4 and all the driver's assistance settings can be saved on the "BMW driver profile" via the My BMW app. If you set this up, things like lane assist and braking intervention will remain off every time you drive.
The i4 is also an iDrive 8 car so these things should carry over the the M2. -Nick |
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Afterwards, I noticed no change in how the engine ran. Was running very good before break in though I was careful to keep revs below 6K. The only difference is after break in is me: I have ventured above 6K not quite to 7K and of course the engine is able to deliver more power. This car is quite quick/fast. Yet surprisingly economical. I made a run -- via I49 (freeway) -- north of where I live (Benton County AR) of about 60+ miles to look at some houses and I made very good time there and back and while at my destination drove in some small towns checking out houses. Back home and checked. Car managed 24.8mpg. That ain't too shabby. |
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Great, detailed review, thanks. It's interesting that there's not one reference to the looks of the car, which is refreshing in a way, since the design is quite polarizing.
One thing ... what's this "drastic" power drop off after a certain RPM? I've been driving my '21 F87 for about a year now and have never experienced it. I can't use all the power and pull it gives me on public roads. Maybe I don't drive it hard enough, or maybe it's a track thing. Mine too, along with the M Performance exhaust. I'd love to test drive a G87 to compare to my F87 with the upgrades. |
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I learned to watch the tach and shift when I hit peak power, vice shifting at red line in my F87. Here's an old F87 thread discussing it, including a quote that explains what I mean. Quote:
Additionally, here's some curves. Here, you can clearly see M2C stops making power above 5K RPM or so. Edited to add attachment with F87 curve. https://bluesparkautomotive.com/proj...4c-m2c-testing Here's G87 for comparison. The dip is assumed to be heat soak, but it still an overall continual increase to red line. https://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/u...no-830x467.jpg Attached below is the F87 M2C curve.
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However, it is also now clear to me why so many don't like it as a "new M2" since it looks absolutely nothing like the F87! Every part of the car looks different and it feels much more serious than the F87 (just what comes to mind). The F87 and E8x 1 series were both short and somewhat tall (which lots of people like), giving the car a sort of "terrier" vibe. The G87 has much more classic coupe proportions with a longer dash to axle ratio and much longer looking hood that departs from the "small BMW look". Much more of a long and low look that the F87 doesn't have. To me, it doesn't look like any prior BMW. Even though it has some classic BMW cues (like the kidney grills) the integration and execution is different from any BMW I've seen. The end result is something that looks very impressive and very special, but not very BMW. I can also see how this would strike a long-time BMW fan as irreverent or arrogant - a successor that wants nothing to do with its highly successful predecessor. A lot of people consider the F87 M2 to be the best M car of the last decade. I understand why this new one would immediately turn off these fans since it seems to send a message of "we know people liked the last car, but we through that all away and did this!" Sort of explains to me why some YouTubers who really like the F87 (like Thomas from TH) seem so worked up and upset about the new one. In any case, I was very impressed last night and love the look. Looking forward to picking mine up on Saturday. -Nick |
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Also note that the G87's degradation at the high end is somewhat artificial, caused by detuning. The same hardware generates 20 more peak HP in the G8x with the same peak torque of 406.
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Thanks for clarifying. The charts are the charts, but I know in real-world driving I've never felt power is lacking or doesn't increase when I punch it. The F87 has more than I need as is. Still, I'm very rarely above 6000 rpm anyway. Trying to stay out of jail.
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Well I'll ask about it anyway and report back to you all if there is a solution. Supposed to have it in 2 weeks give or take. |
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But to clarify, it works by creating a driver profile that is selectable on start-up and generally linked to a specific vehicle key. That profile remembers settings like seat memory and the driver’s assist stuff. You don’t manually set up those features for a specific user, but it will remember those settings. I think it requires the use of the “my BMW” app on your phone. -Nick |
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