[Humdizzle]

240 won 2 out of 3 imo. S58 only starts to shine in the triple digits. Was not expecting the 240 to win the braking test.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

I've only ever bought manual BMW's so I get it. But isn't that like saying the M240 is the only one with AWD, so I'd never consider the M2? While true in both cases that one car has a key feature the other lacks, they're red herring arguments in this case.

This race was pretty much what we ought to expect with the M240 taking the initial lead due to AWD traction and then the M2 would reel it in later. The only thing that surprised me was the reeling in took longer than expected and the 1/4 mile was insufficient distance for the M2 to beat the M240. Sam mentioned that he couldn't invoke any wheel spin in the M2 at the start, thus could not get best start possible. Maybe there was something wrong with the M2's launch control?

If you consider shifting gears a “feature”, then yes.

AWD is a performance feature. MT is not a feature. The same way a steering wheel is not a feature.

[Chris13002]

Originally Posted by fcman

Very impressive by the B58, I think if you live in a city, or somewhere with a lot of smaller, straighter roads, the M240xi edges out the M2. If you don’t spend a lot of time on track it’s hard to justify the M2

A video comes out with a modded car vs a stock car and people start freaking out writing comments like this...
It is easy for me to justify my M2 purchase because it's a true M car, vs an "M-sport" 240i that you could do all the bolts-on in the world and still not be a true M car. When I had my 135i, I didn't go into the 1M forums telling them that the 1M was hard to justify.

[mynameisnick4]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

I've only ever bought manual BMW's so I get it. But isn't that like saying the M240 is the only one with AWD, so I'd never consider the M2? While true in both cases that one car has a key feature the other lacks, they're red herring arguments in this case.

This race was pretty much what we ought to expect with the M240 taking the initial lead due to AWD traction and then the M2 would reel it in later. The only thing that surprised me was the reeling in took longer than expected and the 1/4 mile was insufficient distance for the M2 to beat the M240. Sam mentioned that he couldn't invoke any wheel spin in the M2 at the start, thus could not get best start possible. Maybe there was something wrong with the M2's launch control?

AWD isn't going anywhere and will only be available on more and more cars in the future. Manual transmissions are going to be gone (on obtainable new cars) probably in less than 10 years. That's the big difference in my opinion.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by Chris13002

A video comes out with a modded car vs a stock car and people start freaking out writing comments like this...
It is easy for me to justify my M2 purchase because it's a true M car, vs an "M-sport" 240i that you could do all the bolts-on in the world and still not be a true M car. When I had my 135i, I didn't go into the 1M forums telling them that the 1M was hard to justify.

I literally have a G87 on the way (built and waiting on a boat) and have never and would never buy a G42. But go off there bud.

[Slick1984]

Originally Posted by SpeedyATL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5lTrkHelGg

M240ix vs M2 auto.

Pretty impressive showing by the B58.

They sound completely different.. and the guy says they sound similar .. lol what the ..

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by Chris13002

A video comes out with a modded car vs a stock car and people start freaking out writing comments like this...
It is easy for me to justify my M2 purchase because it's a true M car, vs an "M-sport" 240i that you could do all the bolts-on in the world and still not be a true M car. When I had my 135i, I didn't go into the 1M forums telling them that the 1M was hard to justify.

I only got a 135is because I couldn't get a 1M.

[nype]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks73

As one who drives a great DCT equipped Golf R, I can say that the ZF in the M cars is pretty damned close.

I’ve had my time with manuals. You can have them. 😜

Agreed. It’s close to my VW DSG in shift quickness, but much more refined, especially driving at slower speeds / stop and go.

[Ravenseal]

I sold my M240ix for my M2. It was a great car, but no regrets on the upgrade. 6MT Gang.

[Bumpinjeep]

I like how when the 240i was tuned to 460, the M2 still spanked it, meaning, it makes way more than 460 hp. And it what, supposedly weighes more as well?
I can just picture BMW Marketing and Engineering team sitting in a room talking about the car, "How much power does she have?" "Make up ze bullshit." "Now let's eat ze veenershnitzle." I also picture them all living in a quaint German village and having meetings the mountains for some reason.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I like how when the 240i was tuned to 460, the M2 still spanked it, meaning, it makes way more than 460 hp. And it what, supposedly weighes more as well?
I can just picture BMW Marketing and Engineering team sitting in a room talking about the car, "How much power does she have?" "Make up ze bullshit." "Now let's eat ze veenershnitzle." I also picture them all living in a quaint German village and having meetings the mountains for some reason.

[Baldilocks73]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I like how when the 240i was tuned to 460, the M2 still spanked it, meaning, it makes way more than 460 hp. And it what, supposedly weighes more as well?
I can just picture BMW Marketing and Engineering team sitting in a room talking about the car, "How much power does she have?" "Make up ze bullshit." "Now let's eat ze veenershnitzle." I also picture them all living in a quaint German village and having meetings the mountains for some reason.

Spanked? You were watching a different video?

[Autobahn SoCal]

xDrive, Eventuri intake, Remus exhaust, lowered stiffer suspension for better wheel grip, etc on the AutoID M240 so although entertaining…this was a predictable video even with the JB4 “turned off”.

I am still impressed with the M2 keeping up with the tuned M240 off the line and of course it will pull in the roll with the S58.

RWD M240 stock vs stock M2 would’ve been a better comparison, but then the M2 would obviously win the drag and roll so I get why Carwow did this for the entertainment value.

Both cars are great in their own segment.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

And there we go! M240i looks better and is the winner FTM! Note, the M2 still makes more BHP than the M240i (without ethanol or race gas) with the box. They’re probably up ~50 whp (from stock) with the intake, exhaust, and box with standard petrol.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by Chris13002

I was just about to post this video. All the comments say that the M240i looks better than the M2, and I have to agree (ONLY this particular modded M240i). The matte black paint job makes the hood really pop and even the "wide fenders" although we know the M2 is more wide,
it's lowered, and even the triangle inlets make it look sharp with that lip. Putting a stock M240i as a reminder... Good job to that M240i owner

Matte black wrap looks great. Mine in Melbourne Red with bronze Apex wheels also great. Obviously, what makes the m240i look better are the bumpers.

[trekkie1031]

Originally Posted by ///MFrankie

The drag race goes as you would expect, once the M2 gets in its stride it starts running away.

But I can't believe it was still quicker stock vs. a 460bhp 240i in a rolling, that's impressive, imagine the M2 tuned?

That S58 really is a monster.

BMW certainly underrates the hp for the m2 as much as the m240- the m2 should still have greater bhp.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by ///MFrankie

The drag race goes as you would expect, once the M2 gets in its stride it starts running away.

But I can't believe it was still quicker stock vs. a 460bhp 240i in a rolling, that's impressive, imagine the M2 tuned?

That S58 really is a monster.

That’s because it’s not 460 bhp stock, while the m240i with the box is closer to its number (450 bhp). The m2 is closer to 500+ bhp. But yeah the s58 has more potential without replacing internals, turbos, etc. What pisses me off is the fact it’s 35 kg heavier despite only driving its rear wheels. They better trim some fat from the upcoming CS.

[Jack@AUTOID]

This video was a lot of fun and there were a lot of surprised faces and laughs that day. That being said full disclaimer on this video!

Our car has the following performance mods:
Eventuri Intake
Catless Downpipe
Milltek Catback System
JB4 Tuning Module
Endless Brake Pads
MSS HAS Kit

Running on Michelin Pilot Sport 4S.

Now the car was running with the box tuned off in the first run. I would suspect it's running closer to around 390-400hp with the intake, downpipe and exhaust on their own. The box tuned on probably adds another 50-60hp, as Nathan mentioned in the video.

Regardless of those numbers, the performance from the M240i is dead impressive and it's still the better daily. The 4WD traction makes that car quicker on road and the ride quality is a lot nice, the suspension is noticeably softer. The M2 is much more dialled in though a feels faster because its much more on its toes and on the edge. Anyway, before I go off on a tangent, it was a fun race.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by M2siast

As I mentioned before, unfortunately only one of those vehicles can be had in a manual and be a car to be considered.

So, in essence, this is a one car comparison.

Lol so you want to compare the manual M2 to the auto m240i? While it might be more fun, it’ll get slaughtered if we’re talking roll/drag racing vs that m240i with the $600 box. One things for sure, only one of these cars looks the business.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks73

Not really.

Now if the M2 (or M240i) had a nice Tremec 6-spd gearbox, it would be a different story, but for these two, the ZF is the best option.

^this is money. I think the b58 would be better suited for the manual with two less gears as well. The powerband is wider. I’m hitting 450 ft lbs. (with my box) at only 2,500 rpm (500 ft lbs by 3,500).

[Karmic Man]

Originally Posted by Autobahn SoCal

xDrive, Eventuri intake, Remus exhaust, lowered stiffer suspension for better wheel grip, etc on the AutoID M240 so although entertaining…this was a predictable video even with the JB4 “turned off”.

I am still impressed with the M2 keeping up with the tuned M240 off the line and of course it will pull in the roll with the S58.

RWD M240 stock vs stock M2 would’ve been a better comparison, but then the M2 would obviously win the drag and roll so I get why Carwow did this for the entertainment value.

Both cars are great in their own segment.

The M2 was keeping up with the M240i when the piggyback was not in power mode. The M240i was running in stock power mode at the beginning.

When the M240i has the power turned up, it destroyed the M2 off the line as expected.

In a rolling race with similar hp, the M240i will lose. Ther is more power loss from the xDrive, running on 2 differentials instead of 1 on the RWD M2.

I will still get the G87 M2 because of
1. 6MT (most important)
2. S58
3. Suspension tuning from M
4. Looks more aggressive

[Chris13002]

Originally Posted by fcman

I literally have a G87 on the way (built and waiting on a boat) and have never and would never buy a G42. But go off there bud.

Nice and congrats! Regardless if it's a city, straightaway, or smaller road, I'll have more fun in my manual M2 (as people already pointed out).