bimmerpost/
BMW M2 and 2-Series Coupe
BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
home
BIMMERPOST Universal Forums Professional Motorsport Racing Discussion (IMSA, DTM, Formula 1, Grand-AM, Le Mans, IRL, WRC, etc..)

Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      09-15-2024, 01:48 PM   #397
M5Rick
General
M5Rick's Avatar
67075
Rep
21,665
Posts

Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: GB

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium View Post
My snapshot seen from above (there was contact just before the crash)!

I'm pretty sure that Checo has clipped Sainz left rear wheel and Sainz was sent to to left on took Checo with him into the wall.

As you can see
From that overhead shot I can see more, Checo was in SAI's blindspot and both were hoping for the best which didn't work out. Checo couldn't have backed out as his front wheel was already ahead of SAI's rear wheel and of course with 55 inching left and with Herbert on the stewards it was always going to be a RI. Good shot there my friend
Appreciate 4
E92inNC1800.00
GuidoK12722.50
      09-15-2024, 02:20 PM   #398
Killed by Death
Brigadier General
Killed by Death's Avatar
15133
Rep
4,142
Posts

Drives: '23 X3 M40i
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by minn19 View Post
I don’t get this take either, he sniffed outside briefly and then fell right behind him. Who knows what would have happened had Perez moved a little left…..

Carlos owes Charles and Ferrari nothing, he’s fighting for future jobs.
True, Carlos doesn't owe them anything and I wish he was staying. But, had he not challenged Charlie, had he fallen in line, I don't believe the crash happens.

A likely 2-3 finish would have been great.

The whole thing reminds me of a saying. "There's no I in team,,,But there is a me."
Appreciate 1
GuidoK12722.50
      09-15-2024, 02:39 PM   #399
G30M
Brigadier General
G30M's Avatar
4867
Rep
4,926
Posts

Drives: M550i; Swift Sport 6MT; EV6 GT
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Australasia

iTrader: (0)

so Lando helps Oscar by slowing down Perez by 1.5s, just enough for Oscar to stay ahead out of the pits.

then Oscar devours a 6 second gap (to CLC) over one lap and defends something like 20-30 laps

maybe McLaren has learnt something about strategy, also Oscar is not bad

and Lando starts 15 and finishes ahead of Max, world's gone mad
Appreciate 5
GuidoK12722.50
CMW33781.00
a5m805.00
      09-15-2024, 03:41 PM   #400
Fillip
Private First Class
Fillip's Avatar
233
Rep
106
Posts

Drives: 2020 M3 (F80)
Join Date: Sep 2023
Location: Michigan

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by G30M View Post
so Lando helps Oscar by slowing down Perez by 1.5s, just enough for Oscar to stay ahead out of the pits.

then Oscar devours a 6 second gap (to CLC) over one lap and defends something like 20-30 laps

maybe McLaren has learnt something about strategy, also Oscar is not bad

and Lando starts 15 and finishes ahead of Max, world's gone mad
It is unbelievable to see how Max's performance has dropped in the last few races. He seems to be struggling with his car lately.
Appreciate 2
GuidoK12722.50
a5m805.00
      09-15-2024, 04:54 PM   #401
CMW33
First Lieutenant
CMW33's Avatar
781
Rep
385
Posts

Drives: 2024 G80 Comp
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NoVA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fillip View Post
It is unbelievable to see how Max's performance has dropped in the last few races. He seems to be struggling with his car lately.
Yes, there’s been a lot on this recently. The RB20 has a bit of a design flaw, perhaps the floor or the suspension or both, and it’s lost the strong front end that Max needs to extract performance out of the car. And its not just turned into an understeering car, but worse: it sometimes transitions from under to oversteer in different phases of the same corner, and for some reason the performance goes away on new tires or when he really tries to hustle the car. It’s a bit of a mess.
Appreciate 1
      09-15-2024, 05:45 PM   #402
minn19
Lieutenant General
minn19's Avatar
14597
Rep
10,284
Posts

Drives: 24 6MT M2, 25 X5 M60, 24 Truk
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Minnesota

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Killed by Death View Post
True, Carlos doesn't owe them anything and I wish he was staying. But, had he not challenged Charlie, had he fallen in line, I don't believe the crash happens.

A likely 2-3 finish would have been great.

The whole thing reminds me of a saying. "There's no I in team,,,But there is a me."
I still think you are mad at the wrong person. Is it not true then if Perez had not challenged Carlos, this wouldn’t have happened? At least Carlos backed out and fell in line with Charlie and avoided contact. Funny when anyone gets next to a Red Bull there is contact. I believe the stewards even said something to the effect that Perez was the one that had more of a chance/could have done more to avoid the whole situation.

Perez was seeing the red mist. He couldn’t make a pass stick against a car that had nearly zero grip anymore. Not only couldn’t he pull that off, then he gets passed in the process. I know Horner is doing his usual BS in sticking up for Perez/aka RBR drivers never do anything wrong. But, I guarantee you behind the scenes they are pissed that he didn’t just move left and take another run at Carlos in a later corner. Instead, he causes RBR tens of/hundreds (?) of thousands of dollars worth of damage tearing up another car this year.

Also, I agree, I said it in the past and I’ll say it again. I really think they are making a mistake replacing Carlos with Hammy.
Appreciate 2
Autobacs1462.00
      09-15-2024, 06:48 PM   #403
Marcoose
Captain
Marcoose's Avatar
United_States
629
Rep
658
Posts

Drives: 2016 sDrive35is
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: San Francisco, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fillip View Post
It is unbelievable to see how Max's performance has dropped in the last few races. He seems to be struggling with his car lately.
Which means, no car factor, no ‘Max Factor’.
Appreciate 0
      09-15-2024, 07:41 PM   #404
Autobacs
Captain
Autobacs's Avatar
United_States
1462
Rep
781
Posts

Drives: 2019 BMW X6M
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: WA state

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcoose View Post
Which means, no car factor, no ‘Max Factor’.
Must be. Makes me wonder why Toto and AM both said they would welcome Max with open arms if he decides to leave RB. It would be a good question to ask if Ferrari would be willing to dump either LeClerc or Hamilton for Max.

My sense tells me yes.
__________________
2019 BMW X6M
2013 Lexus RX450H
2010 Nissan GTR AMS Omega 14
Appreciate 0
      09-15-2024, 08:20 PM   #405
Jbrown7403
Captain
Jbrown7403's Avatar
United_States
2889
Rep
687
Posts

Drives: 2016 BMW M4
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Austin Texas

iTrader: (0)

Certainly feels like Ferrari is going to have little trouble overtaking Red Bull for 2nd. Who would have ever predicted this 3 months ago?.
.
Attached Images
 
Appreciate 0
      09-15-2024, 08:24 PM   #406
Marcoose
Captain
Marcoose's Avatar
United_States
629
Rep
658
Posts

Drives: 2016 sDrive35is
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: San Francisco, CA

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Autobacs View Post
if Ferrari would be willing to dump either LeClerc or Hamilton for Max.

My sense tells me yes.
Totally. Ferrari are desperate for a championship. They came close twice and blew it. Hamilton only has 3-5 years in him. And Verstappen is more ruthless than Leclerc. The end justifies the means.
Appreciate 0
      09-15-2024, 08:40 PM   #407
NickyC
Lieutenant General
NickyC's Avatar
19043
Rep
11,149
Posts

Drives: M4 CS. Former G82, x2 F82, F80
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Jacked out of my mind

iTrader: (23)

Quote:
Originally Posted by minn19 View Post
So you guys are finally admitting all the years and times Max sawing other drivers front ends off causing collisions are his fault? Especially Silverstone?

Sainz is pretty much going straight, he barely moves to the left. Sergio was pissed he couldn’t pass Charles and then got passed by Sainz. He didn’t move and allowed it to happen probably hoping it would just take Carlos out and not him to. RBR is going to have to cancel catering to pay for yet another Checo crash. I used to be a huge Sergio supporter, but the guy has just self destructed.
100%, that crash was clearly Checo’s mistake. Sainz took the spot and Checo clearly moved into him when he had the whole left side of the track. Night/day to me.

Baku never disappoints, what a race!!
Appreciate 2
minn1914596.50
      09-15-2024, 10:45 PM   #408
dfox
Lieutenant
1173
Rep
545
Posts

Drives: E88 135i 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2023
Location: North of Seattle

iTrader: (0)

Sainz moving left. Checo going straight. Both should have avoided the collision. The fact that Sainz had no clue what happened means he didn't use his mirrors at all, just out floating in space and cutting across the track. Checo could have seen it coming though, and should have moved.

The fact that neither driver walked away with points on their license means neither is innocent. Pretty cut and dry.
Appreciate 1
a5m805.00
      09-15-2024, 11:01 PM   #409
dfox
Lieutenant
1173
Rep
545
Posts

Drives: E88 135i 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2023
Location: North of Seattle

iTrader: (0)

Ignoring the crash, incredible drive from Checo. His form compared to Max was crazy, all weekend.

Great drive from the two rookies to score points on a tough track, clear that the grid needs some new faces.

Great drive from lando, 11 places is something to celebrate.

Decent drive and great defense from Piastri. I think if Charles had gotten past him on that last stint, it would have been over, the McLaren straight line speed was too much.
Appreciate 2
a5m805.00
      09-15-2024, 11:03 PM   #410
G30M
Brigadier General
G30M's Avatar
4867
Rep
4,926
Posts

Drives: M550i; Swift Sport 6MT; EV6 GT
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Australasia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dfox View Post
Ignoring the crash, incredible drive from Checo. His form compared to Max was crazy, all weekend.

Great drive from the two rookies to score points on a tough track, clear that the grid needs some new faces.

Great drive from lando, 11 places is something to celebrate.

Decent drive and great defense from Piastri. I think if Charles had gotten past him on that last stint, it would have been over, the McLaren straight line speed was too much.
in a normal race, checo would have won, he'd undercut piastri, piastri would under cut clc, and the clc and piastri would drive each other's tires to the ground while checo drives into the sunset

but thanks to Lando it was not to be
Appreciate 1
dfox1173.00
      09-15-2024, 11:17 PM   #411
Davil
Brigadier General
Davil's Avatar
No_Country
6848
Rep
3,187
Posts

Drives: 21 Vantage, 18 Vantage, 00 WRX
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Australia

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
What an absolutely fantastic race. I even got to watch it live as coverage started 7:30pm here. Best race in ages. We were yelling at the screen a lot. What a wonderful season this is turning out to be.

Piastri really is the real deal. Last week and this week pulling off the best move of each race. He is getting better and better. Plus he cracks me up with his deadpan personality. Bonus points for nearly falling off the car when he got out.

I did feel bad for Checo. He was doing really well.

George did a Bradbury again. Funny.

Attached Images
 
Appreciate 0
      09-15-2024, 11:39 PM   #412
G30M
Brigadier General
G30M's Avatar
4867
Rep
4,926
Posts

Drives: M550i; Swift Sport 6MT; EV6 GT
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Australasia

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Davil View Post

I did feel bad for Checo. He was doing really well.

.
the way i see it he got mugged in a Ferrari sandwich. but that's how it goes with motor racing. nobody's there to wave the other guy past.
Appreciate 0
      09-16-2024, 03:51 AM   #413
fs1977
Private
165
Rep
95
Posts

Drives: G21 M340i
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Netherlands

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2020 G21 M340i  [10.00]
I think the report from the stewards is spot on: racing incident. Both drivers could have avoided this crash, but Checo had more room to do so. I'm not really sure what to think of it. If you had multiple crashes already, wouldn't you be a bit more reserved in your actions to avoid another one? Or at least a little bit more calculated.

The difference in pace between Verstappen and Checo is puzzling. Does someone knows if there was a difference in updated parts between the two cars or was it simply down to set-up?
Appreciate 0
      09-16-2024, 04:02 AM   #414
M5Rick
General
M5Rick's Avatar
67075
Rep
21,665
Posts

Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: GB

iTrader: (0)

^ It was too late for Checo to back out as his front wheel was in front of SAI's rear inching all the time to the left, no ones admitting SAI just didn't look in his left mirror and caused the crash saying ''what happened'' repeatedly with Checo giving him a piece of his mind as he got out of his car.
Link
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...n-gp/10654604/

Last edited by M5Rick; 09-16-2024 at 04:57 AM..
Appreciate 2
dfox1173.00
      09-16-2024, 04:13 AM   #415
fs1977
Private
165
Rep
95
Posts

Drives: G21 M340i
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Netherlands

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2020 G21 M340i  [10.00]
Ultimately yes, but he could have backed out earlier in my opinion.
Appreciate 0
      09-16-2024, 05:24 AM   #416
M5Rick
General
M5Rick's Avatar
67075
Rep
21,665
Posts

Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: GB

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by fs1977 View Post
Ultimately yes, but he could have backed out earlier in my opinion.
Maybe but Checo saw a gap and it's racing, Ralf Schumacher had this to say about 'beginner' Sainz.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/cocky-...-crash-verdict
Appreciate 1
      09-16-2024, 06:16 AM   #417
fs1977
Private
165
Rep
95
Posts

Drives: G21 M340i
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Netherlands

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2020 G21 M340i  [10.00]
But if you've already crashed so many times this season, cutt your losses and try again on the DRS straight. Now a strong race turns into a dissastrous one.

And if you read the article, Ralf says this:

Quote:
“For whatever reason, he moved over, but Perez didn’t move to the side either. They touched each other and I say misery against misery.”

The German added: “Both have so much experience, that doesn’t have to happen so close to the end. You have to take the points.”
Appreciate 1
minn1914596.50
      09-16-2024, 08:26 AM   #418
Killed by Death
Brigadier General
Killed by Death's Avatar
15133
Rep
4,142
Posts

Drives: '23 X3 M40i
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: USA

iTrader: (0)

Appreciate 1
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:21 PM.




g87
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST