[Geighty7]

Hi all,

So I’ve been driving manual for most of my life in enthusiast-style sports cars such as my current G87. Before getting this car back in February, I did a ton of research into the manual platform. As I read, I’m sure you have as well on all the ups, downs, and opinions between the auto and manual, as well as the manual pros and cons.

Before acquiring my car, I never drove a manual M car, nor did I ever test drive the G87. To be honest, I never drove any M car before this as I was always an American muscle fan. I decided this was the best bang for my buck for a weekend enthusiast car, and have always been a euro fan. This was my chance to make the switch and not end up with a Darkhorse, Demon, or ZL1. I for sure made the right choice on this car and with my spec. I’ve put a lot of fun upgrades in my car, and looking to do more.

Now I won’t go into how amazing the car drives because we all either have one at this point or read through the threads. What I will do is give my honest opinion on the manual system in the G87 and how I improved mine.

To start:

Unless this is a weekend enthusiast car or you are consistently tracking or canyon driving this thing, I honestly believe you don’t need to do a thing to the transmission system. Yep, you heard me…not a thing. Is it rubbery? A bit. Is there a lag from the CDV? A bit. Does it do the job intended? Yes. That’s my final answer when people are hesitant on all the negative bs they have read. For your every day driver that just wants a manual in an exquisite euro sports car, you don’t need to do a thing.

The negative feedback on the manual (and I’ve heard and read it all) is from people who are trying to find something wrong with anything. These are the same reviewers who will say the ZF8 lags due to the TC, the DCT in the F-chassis is too aggressive for every day driving etc.
IMO- manual, ZF, even DCT previous gen are all great and also have their cons as well.

Nothing is perfect about this car, nor 99% of other cars that exist.
That’s why we have upgrades which I’ll list below that will improve if you so desire

-CDV delete: You’ve heard it time and time again “just do it, it’s the best mod you can do”. I do agree that it will for sure improve your driving IF you already know how to drive a manual. This mechanism is put in place to give the driver room for error when not properly disengaging the clutch. It will improve rowing gears at higher speeds, and your lower gear shifting if you know how to properly use your clutch. I do recommend for any experienced manual driver.

-Clutch Stop: Okay so this one is a fun one, as we all know of the massive dead space between the “bite” and travel left in the clutch. What I don’t know is what I can’t feel. I put in 3 of 4 spacers on mine and love it, but there could be some sort of engaging mechanism so delicate that the user can not feel with their foot going on inside the clutch, and that’s the reason for the extra travel. I highly doubt that is the case, but I throw that out there as caution incase it is true. I decided to still move forward with my clutch stop, and it was such a great choice with my drive style.

-Short-Throw Shift kit: So I have to be honest, the throws on the manual are not as notchy nor as short as I’d like. It’s fine the way it is, but I’d like something sportier feeling, which I understand why BMW did not go through with this as not everyone is a fan of that feeling if they daily it. There are some of options on the market at this point if the user wants some more pep in their gear selector. Some options that are on the market and popular are the Rogue and CAE platform. Some hate them some love them, I’ve never gotten my hands on them but have done my research.

After my research, I chose to order a custom SSK from Autosolutions due to the reputation of brand and 1-off custom solution that Ron (the owner) helps with. I am currently in the queue for a 25% reduction with an OE height and 90a bushing. I will report back on how it works once manufacturing is complete. Ron is great and almost interviews the driver on how they drive, and then gives his recommendation. The cool thing is, each shifter is hand made to driver specifics. My product is set to arrive sometime mid-September.

-Bushings: I do not know enough on this topic, but know there are several bushing options to choose from if you don’t want to go to a full SSK just yet but still dramatically improve some shifter feedback in the throws.

Hope this all helps for anyone who either wants a G87 manual and has questions, or anyone who already owns a manual G87 wants to improve their experience if the OEM road is not enough.

Cheers!

[BradMX5]

Really appreciate the time you took for this write up.

I have my M2 on order and this will be the first non Japanese car I’ve owned. I’ve also never driven a manual BMW but I’m not too concerned with it.

My thing is I come from a long line of Mazdas and they just do a manual so well… especially the Miata’s. I’m not afraid of hating the BMW manual I’m just going to miss the Miata manual if that makes sense.

Reading all your posts including this one makes it sound like with the right mods I won’t miss that feel.

Can’t wait for your review on the SSK as that sounds like it will put things right where I want them.

Posts like this are why I sit on the forums all day even though my girlfriend hates it, thank you!

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by BradMX5

Really appreciate the time you took for this write up.

I have my M2 on order and this will be the first non Japanese car I’ve owned. I’ve also never driven a manual BMW but I’m not too concerned with it.

My thing is I come from a long line of Mazdas and they just do a manual so well… especially the Miata’s. I’m not afraid of hating the BMW manual I’m just going to miss the Miata manual if that makes sense.

Reading all your posts including this one makes it sound like with the right mods I won’t miss that feel.

Can’t wait for your review on the SSK as that sounds like it will put things right where I want them.

Posts like this are why I sit on the forums all day even though my girlfriend hates it, thank you!

Glad this helps, and congrats on your order!

It’s hard to match Japanese craftsmanship when it comes to the manual driving experience. You’re spot on, you will miss it (with the right mods you won’t) but you won’t hate the M2 manual platform by any means. I’ve yet to meet anyone with one that that’s their first complaint.

The only thing you’ll hate about the car will be your brake dust build up on the wheels after a nice drive

[Squidget]

I generally agree with Geighty7, the manual is adequate, especially for casual daily drivers.

Unless you are an experienced driver who Knows What They Want, I don't think any of the mods are truly necessary.

But if do Know What You Want, the three mods mentioned are all perfectly fine mods.

[IamJoe]

Great write-up. Plus you always have some of the nicest pictures.

[dienstag]

I was worried about the manual as the first time I drove a BMW manual was when picking up my G87. I have driven about 20 different manual cars before this but few performance cars, and none of the "best" manuals (no mx5, s2000, type-r, etc).

It's actually nice feeling, though it is unique. I have no idea what "rubbery" means and it's the word everybody uses... tbh my first impression was more "plasticky". It's precise and well gated if somewhat tightly sprung, but I almost wouldn't be surprised to take off the shift boot and see plastic linkage (I mean I would be, but just trying to describe the feel). Gear engagement just doesn't quite feel like clicking into a solid metal stop, instead feels a bit... plasticky. Again it's not unpleasant and I've certainly driven much worse, just my first impression.

Clutch is a bit vague and engagement point seems to wander, I assume that's CDV. But I actually like the pedal feel and the slightly high-ish engagement.

Overall the car feels great to drive with no mods, I was worried a bit about the quality of the manual after reading forums and reviews, but it's solid. Again though I probably have low standards, probably the most "refined" manual sportscar I've driven is a 996 C4, which didn't blow me away with its shifter feel.

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by dienstag

I was worried about the manual as the first time I drove a BMW manual was when picking up my G87. I have driven about 20 different manual cars before this but few performance cars, and none of the "best" manuals (no mx5, s2000, type-r, etc).

It's actually nice feeling, though it is unique. I have no idea what "rubbery" means and it's the word everybody uses... tbh my first impression was more "plasticky". It's precise and well gated if somewhat tightly sprung, but I almost wouldn't be surprised to take off the shift boot and see plastic linkage (I mean I would be, but just trying to describe the feel). Gear engagement just doesn't quite feel like clicking into a solid metal stop, instead feels a bit... plasticky. Again it's not unpleasant and I've certainly driven much worse, just my first impression.

Clutch is a bit vague and engagement point seems to wander, I assume that's CDV. But I actually like the pedal feel and the slightly high-ish engagement.

Overall the car feels great to drive with no mods, I was worried a bit about the quality of the manual after reading forums and reviews, but it's solid. Again though I probably have low standards, probably the most "refined" manual sportscar I've driven is a 996 C4, which didn't blow me away with its shifter feel.

I can see how your term “plasticky” plays into the overall feel. The rubbery feeling is sort of the disassociation when the gear is in motion gliding in, it doesn’t feel tightly guided as some better platforms like the ones you listed.

That CDV delete will help with engagement wander tremendously if that is a bother.

As you said, it’s great as it is. And for your normal enthusiast who doesn’t want to mess with mods, it does the job well and performs time and time again.

I think your impressions coming from your car history is spot on.

[LRSD]

Does this mean the clutch engages near the top of the pedal when releasing the clutch?
Quote:
“know of the massive dead space between the “bite” and travel left in the clutch”.

If so can anyone explain why BMW engineers have it that way?
From my experience driving manual’s that’s usually a sign that the clutch needs to be adjusted or replaced, though I vaguely remember my 2011 wrx clutch release point being near the last 3/4 of engagement It was a very heavy clutch also which I didn’t care for. My ND2 Miata has been my favorite clutch/shifter followed by my 97 ITR, 01 AP1 S2000, 09 Honda si, 19 CTR which had a tendency to grind in 2nd gear until it was warmed up.
I’m looking forward experiencing the S58! If it’s anything like the B58 in my 22 Supra I recently sold I’m sure I won’t be disappointed.

[Del33]

I personally have no issues driving my unmodified the transmission but I do feel the CDV when shifting quickly and plan on seeing how it feels without. Never had a problem with engagement point so don't plan on using a stop. I used to have an ND2 MX5 and the shifter was beautiful to work through but oddly enough I am happy with the M2 shifter. I do notice when shifting to 3rd or 5th, my wrist bends funky and it feels like I'm pulling the shifter up instead of pushing. I wish the shifter location was a little further forward but we can't have that but lowering it would help. Looking forward to hearing a review on that shifter when you get it OP.

I'm learning that I'm OCD and have developed a dislike for the loud clattering flywheel which makes itself known going up my steep driveway and shutting off the engine. I know it's normal but it's my first dual mass FW and am not a fan of the noise and loose feeling. But she drives great.

[beren]

Nice post! Thanks! I'm still making up my mind about the setup. I've had my car for about 1.5 months. It has been a big transition from a Porsche in terms of the gearing and the clutch feel, but I'm still learning the new car.

[dienstag]

Originally Posted by LRSD

Does this mean the clutch engages near the top of the pedal when releasing the clutch?
Quote:
“know of the massive dead space between the “bite” and travel left in the clutch”.

If so can anyone explain why BMW engineers have it that way?

Not really at the top, but also not at the bottom, somewhere in the middle I guess. Recently I drove a rented VW Tiguan for a month in Germany and the clutch was like this as well, was odd at first but just got used to it and ended up liking it. Then after coming home my Chevy Cruze just felt broken since the engagement is so low, but again got used to that after a few days.

In other words I don't see it as a quirk or specific to BMW, it's just on the higher side. I also kind of like how the clutch almost gets easier at the end of travel, like the last couple inches is sprung less, the resistance doesn't quite feel linear to me. It's less fatiguing to keep the clutch depressed than other cars I've driven. I think Doug Demuro complained about this in the M2 review but I like it.

[garageoverflow]

Originally Posted by Geighty7

I can see how your term “plasticky” plays into the overall feel. The rubbery feeling is sort of the disassociation when the gear is in motion gliding in, it doesn’t feel tightly guided as some better platforms like the ones you listed.

That CDV delete will help with engagement wander tremendously if that is a bother.

As you said, it’s great as it is. And for your normal enthusiast who doesn’t want to mess with mods, it does the job well and performs time and time again.

I think your impressions coming from your car history is spot on.

I'm curious what cars you had before the M2 for a comparison.

I've also been entertaining a 2025 M2. If I'm honest, Twilight Purple and Java Green are most of that 😄, but I'm not sure that I'm ready to give up my 2009 C6 Z06. Just seems like completely different animals, but something more modern would also be nice. (Z06 currently sits around 600whp naturally aspirated and 3,180 lbs)

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by garageoverflow

I'm curious what cars you had before the M2 for a comparison.

I've also been entertaining a 2025 M2. If I'm honest, Twilight Purple and Java Green are most of that 😄, but I'm not sure that I'm ready to give up my 2009 C6 Z06. Just seems like completely different animals, but something more modern would also be nice. (Z06 currently sits around 600whp naturally aspirated and 3,180 lbs)

Both of those color options are awesome!

My comparison cars I owned previously:
2011 Camaro 2SS 6MT
1968 Camaro SS 4MT
C7 Z06 6MT

Cars I’ve driven to compare manuals:
Plenty of older trucks
GTS 6MT
2001 R34 Skyline right hand drive 6MT (yeah that’s my biggest flex)
S2000 6MT

Z06’s always have a special place in my heart. The only reason I didn’t jump on a C8 Z06 was because I couldn’t find one for sticker at the time.

[Del33]

Just came back from a drive and thought of an improvement mod. A round shift knob. I was saying that it felt like my wrist would bend weird and feel like I am trying to flick the shifter forward rather than being straight wristed. I didn't notice until now how unnatural the stock shifter feels to grab. It's really fat and flat at the top and tapers down quickly and a round knob would feel more comfortable to palm.

[Del33]

Originally Posted by Geighty7

Z06’s always have a special place in my heart. The only reason I didn’t jump on a C8 Z06 was because I couldn’t find one for sticker at the time.

Before I got the M2, I almost impulsively bought a 1.2k mile MT C7 Z06. Ended up going with the M2 for the newer technology. I love the M2 and have no complaints but I still think about it every now and then what if....

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by Del33

Just came back from a drive and thought of an improvement mod. A round shift knob. I was saying that it felt like my wrist would bend weird and feel like I am trying to flick the shifter forward rather than being straight wristed. I didn't notice until now how unnatural the stock shifter feels to grab. It's really fat and flat at the top and tapers down quickly and a round knob would feel more comfortable to palm.

I forgot to add weighted shift knob as a great improvement also. I’m not the largest fan of the OE M knob in terms of functionality. I just like the way it looks mostly.

[fanofbmwe46]

How much are folks paying for a SSK install?

[Geighty7]

Originally Posted by fanofbmwe46

How much are folks paying for a SSK install?

I haven’t gotten a quote, but I’ll be having EAS do my install. Usually fair priced and great techs. Located in Anehiem. I’ll report back on Pricing.

[BradMX5]

Originally Posted by Del33

I know it's normal but it's my first dual mass FW and am not a fan of the noise and loose feeling. But she drives great.

Your ND2 has a dual mass flywheel.

Mine gets clattery at times but it’s hands down one of the best shifting experiences.
They really nailed down the placement, notchiness, and engagement.

[garageoverflow]

Originally Posted by Geighty7

Both of those color options are awesome!

My comparison cars I owned previously:
2011 Camaro 2SS 6MT
1968 Camaro SS 4MT
C7 Z06 6MT

Cars I’ve driven to compare manuals:
Plenty of older trucks
GTS 6MT
2001 R34 Skyline right hand drive 6MT (yeah that’s my biggest flex)
S2000 6MT

Z06’s always have a special place in my heart. The only reason I didn’t jump on a C8 Z06 was because I couldn’t find one for sticker at the time.

I had a 2000 Z28 and currently have an imported JDM 1995 Supra Turbo, V160 manual 😄
Small world, similar taste.

Still just worried if I sold the Z06 I'd miss the raw nature and the super low weight.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by garageoverflow

Still just worried if I sold the Z06 I'd miss the raw nature and the super low weight.

I mean, you absolutely will. No getting around that. But you are getting some nice things in return, too.