"S58T" engine designation showing for G87 M2 Competition

Tag · 08-19-2022, 10:51 AM

Featured on BIMMERPOST.com

Came across this and found it rather intriguing. The G87 is showing that it'll come with an S58T engine. What's odd about this is that the G80/2's with the 'T' performance class engine rating are only for the higher power output Competition models.

Performance class
K= Lowest
U= Lower
M=Medium
O=Upper(standard)
T=Top
S= Super

The base G87 for EU and US markets has a confirmed power output of 338kW / 453hp. This makes sense since it's getting a detuned S58 which produces 20hp less than its big brothers, but it doesn't explain the 'T' engine designation.

The base G80/2 get the S58O engine which outputs 338kW /473hp. The G80/2 Competition models get the S58T engine which outputs 375kW / 503hp.

System error or sign of things to come?

Supporting PDFs

m20e3087 · 08-19-2022, 11:08 AM

Good find. Maybe they are just going with comp engine from the get go, regardless of manual or auto. Any idea if previous gen CS had a different letter "code" vs the comp?

T_U_D · 08-19-2022, 11:59 AM

I know the S58 is scheduled to receive a TU, technical update. Maybe the G87’s will be getting the updated engine?

atl_1M · 08-19-2022, 12:07 PM

We need experts like BMWGirlFL to weigh on what this means 😀

Tag · 08-19-2022, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by atl_1M

We need experts like BMWGirlFL to weigh on what this means 😀

Don't forget ynguldyn

ScullyD · 08-19-2022, 12:37 PM

I'm very hopeful there will be a 503hp version of the s58 with a manual in the M2. That this will be a new manual that can handle the power and may first appear in the 3.0 CSL.

This gives me more hope.

TrentMeister · 08-19-2022, 12:42 PM

Is the s58 really getting a TU?

werdn · 08-19-2022, 12:46 PM

I was half awake when I saw the title and thought we were getting a S85T 😂😂😏

T_U_D · 08-19-2022, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Is the s58 really getting a TU?

Yes, the B58 has already received one and the S58 is scheduled for one.

TrentMeister · 08-19-2022, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Is the s58 really getting a TU?

Yes, the B58 already has received one and the S58 is scheduled for one.

Damn bmw really knows how to give us fomo😂

Gdiddy23 · 08-19-2022, 12:48 PM

My guess is the comp G87 will have 473hp but will be auto only. Hope I'm wrong and it gets the 6MT but that's not how BMW has been operating recently

AndyinHou · 08-19-2022, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Is the s58 really getting a TU?

Yes, the B58 has already received one and the S58 is scheduled for one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_U_D

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Is the s58 really getting a TU?

Yes, the B58 has already received one and the S58 is scheduled for one.

Would a technical update change anything that users would notice?

T_U_D · 08-19-2022, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gdiddy23

My guess is the comp G87 will have 473hp but will be auto only. Hope I'm wrong and it gets the 6MT but that's not how BMW has been operating recently

Agreed.

Tag · 08-19-2022, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gdiddy23

My guess is the comp G87 will have 473hp but will be auto only. Hope I'm wrong and it gets the 6MT but that's not how BMW has been operating recently

Theoretically speaking, if the M2c did get 473hp there's no reason it can't get a MT. The base G80/2 with 473hp have a MT.

M2 SoCal · 08-19-2022, 01:11 PM

Just glad they aren't putting in 4 cylinders like AMG 🙄

mynameisnick4 · 08-19-2022, 01:14 PM

I haven't read up much on the S58 but is BMW underrating it like they are the B58? There are videos of the Supra dynoing at almost 400 whp despite being listed as 382.

Ronin76 · 08-19-2022, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autobahn SoCal

Just glad they aren't putting in 4 cylinders like AMG 🙄

Isn't it a hybrid 4 banger at that?

M2 SoCal · 08-19-2022, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin76

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autobahn SoCal

Just glad they aren't putting in 4 cylinders like AMG 🙄

Isn't it a hybrid 4 banger at that?

Who knows, once I heard the engine / exhaust sound in person it was a joke and laughable.

Bumpinjeep · 08-19-2022, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mynameisnick4

I haven't read up much on the S58 but is BMW underrating it like they are the B58? There are videos of the Supra dynoing at almost 400 whp despite being listed as 382.

Yes. BMW has been underrating their motors since the e series 335. The F87C has seen dynos up to 431 whp
Here: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...hlight=fuel-it
And here: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...hlight=fuel-it
Oh and another: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1664876
Anyway, what i'm saying is that these cars are drastically underrated.

forcefed · 08-19-2022, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin76

Isn't it a hybrid 4 banger at that?

Yup, but that hybrid motor and battery add 500lbs to the amg gt, that c63 is going to be like 4300lbs.

Ronin76 · 08-19-2022, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forcefed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronin76

Isn't it a hybrid 4 banger at that?

Yup, but that hybrid motor and battery add 500lbs to the amg gt, that c63 is going to be like 4300lbs.

Thats a shame. I really like the previous gen C63s coupe. I know it was heavy but the sound was awesome. I dont think they are even offering a C63 coupe anymore in the new gen.

M3WC · 08-19-2022, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tag

[SIZE="3"]Came across this and found it rather intriguing. The G87 is showing that it'll come with an S58T engine.

I am surprised no one noticed the S58T a couple weeks ago when someone posted the 338kw(453hp) confirmation from repair manual. I certainly glossed right over it. Very strange the 338kw G87 has a S58T designation.

08-19-2022, 11:08 AM	#2
m20e3087 Major 1202 Rep 1,433 Posts Drives: G87 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: FL iTrader: (0) Garage List 2019 BMW M2C [0.00]	Good find. Maybe they are just going with comp engine from the get go, regardless of manual or auto. Any idea if previous gen CS had a different letter "code" vs the comp?
	Appreciate 2 M-Azing19.50 zhp2m3147.50 Quote

08-19-2022, 11:59 AM	#3
T_U_D Brigadier General 6707 Rep 3,615 Posts Drives: G05 LCI Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	I know the S58 is scheduled to receive a TU, technical update. Maybe the G87’s will be getting the updated engine?
	Appreciate 1 jlizak0.00 Quote

08-19-2022, 12:07 PM	#4
atl_1M Major 1523 Rep 1,142 Posts Drives: '11 1M, '20 X5 40i Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (1)	We need experts like BMWGirlFL to weigh on what this means 😀
	Appreciate 1 JustChris17677.00 Quote

08-19-2022, 12:37 PM	#6
ScullyD Senior 1Addict 5187 Rep 2,429 Posts Drives: BMW iX, Porsche GT4 RS Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NJ iTrader: (0) Garage List 2022 M5 CS [10.00] 2022 BMW iX [10.00]	I'm very hopeful there will be a 503hp version of the s58 with a manual in the M2. That this will be a new manual that can handle the power and may first appear in the 3.0 CSL. This gives me more hope.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

08-19-2022, 12:42 PM	#7
TrentMeister Colonel 3036 Rep 2,086 Posts Drives: g82 comp Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Dana Point iTrader: (0)	Is the s58 really getting a TU?
	Appreciate 0 Quote

08-19-2022, 12:46 PM	#8
werdn Lieutenant 712 Rep 485 Posts Drives: 997.1 GT3 Shark, ex E92 M3 ZCP Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Palos Verdes Peninsula (Los Angeles) iTrader: (0)	I was half awake when I saw the title and thought we were getting a S85T 😂😂😏
	Appreciate 4 M3 boi3220.00 MachinesWithSouls4969.50 The_Werm218.50 atruong24738.00 Quote

08-19-2022, 12:48 PM	#11
Gdiddy23 Major 916 Rep 1,165 Posts Drives: 2020 M340i Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: St. Paul, MN iTrader: (1) Garage List 2015 BMW F30 [0.00]	My guess is the comp G87 will have 473hp but will be auto only. Hope I'm wrong and it gets the 6MT but that's not how BMW has been operating recently __________________ 2020 M340xi PB (sold) 2020 Ram 1500 Laramie (Daily) 2019 Shelby GT350R (Weekend)
	Appreciate 0 Quote

08-19-2022, 01:11 PM	#15
M2 SoCal BMW CCA ///M Chapter - Marketing Director 1490 Rep 743 Posts Drives: 2024 M2 (G87) Join Date: Jul 2022 Location: United States iTrader: (0) Garage List 2024 BMW M2 (G87) [9.50]	Just glad they aren't putting in 4 cylinders like AMG 🙄 __________________ https://mchapter.org https://www.instagram.com/m2socal/ https://www.youtube.com/@M2socal
	Appreciate 19 Ronin761441.50 forcefed3263.50 jrsarchy52.50 HotRodM4872.00 T_U_D6706.50 FrankieNuo1403.00 Ravenstein1.50 damnitBobby1002.50 WolfGTI741.00 TrentMeister3035.50 Kondzio0.00 MadBimmeRad7147.00 The_Werm218.50 StrizzyF804.50 ///M TOWN32275.50 Drj161610.00 AeasyB582.00 CJBeau555.50 FSociety3872.00 Quote

08-19-2022, 01:14 PM	#16
mynameisnick4 Second Lieutenant 258 Rep 291 Posts Drives: 2023 M2 Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: Pittsburgh iTrader: (0)	I haven't read up much on the S58 but is BMW underrating it like they are the B58? There are videos of the Supra dynoing at almost 400 whp despite being listed as 382.
	Appreciate 0 Quote