[Tag]

Originally Posted by TractionControlDelete

Perhaps the $800,000 price tag will be just the slap you needed?

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...-m-csl-teased/

Was referencing them possibly having a MT capable of handling more power. I have zero interest in the 3.0 CSL with exception of possible hand me downs to other cars.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Tag

Was referencing them possibly having a MT capable of handling more power. I have zero interest in the 3.0 CSL with exception of possible hand me downs to other cars.

BMW are the Mordor of the automotive world.

NO WORRY 4 NOTHING Game me

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Tag

Was referencing them possibly having a MT capable of handling more power. I have zero interest in the 3.0 CSL with exception of possible hand me downs to other cars.

That's the key. What transmission is in the car and will it be handed down.

[mbanck]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

That's the key. What transmission is in the car and will it be handed down.

I don't feel like searching around but from what I read here I had the feeling is was either something completely bespoke or something carried over from the racing department.

Wasn't the 3.0 CSL supposed to have a transaxle gearbox like the M4 GT3? I doubt anything put in there will trickle down.

[M Division]

Originally Posted by akkando

Are you going to keep anything or just upgrade yourself into an electric self driving car by 2030?

I think Ill keep my two R34 GTRs especially my 23,000km VSPEC and some of my old muscle cars, I've had my 1978 Corvette for almost 20years, so I'll probably hold onto that one aswell.

[M Division]

Originally Posted by 440i6MT

How nice is the new iPhone?

Lol I'm an Android guy but Im sure it has a lovely camera

[akkando]

Originally Posted by M Division

I think Ill keep my two R34 GTRs especially my 23,000km VSPEC and some of my old muscle cars, I've had my 1978 Corvette for almost 20years, so I'll probably hold onto that one aswell.

Excellent choices!

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by TractionControlDelete

They use the ZF S6-53 transmission which tops out at 443.

https://www.zf.com/products/en/cars/...nder/cars.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_S6-53_transmission

https://s3.amazonaws.com/bmwmedia.ic...XU9BdM%2BcU%3D There must be stronger variation of this transmission since the M5 had 500ft-lbs of torque.

[M2Cmtl]

Somewhere around 50% of F87s where stick it is rumored so I’m not sure why they would drop it.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by M2Cmtl

Somewhere around 50% of F87s where stick it is rumored so I'm not sure why they would drop it.

Cause they don't make alot of money from the M2, so they are going to give you the lowest powered spec with the existing manual. If you want more HP/TQ, you are getting the ZF 8 speed.

What I'd like to see is a CS/CSL where they keep the manual and add no additional HP/TQ, and just focus exclusively on weight reduction: (As many carbon body panels as possible, no back seats, manual seats, cloth upholstery, no comfort access, no HUD, CCBs, Forged wheels, lightweight glass).

If that car is around $110k-$120k with the focus on driving experience over cost, I'm definitely a buyer. BMW doesn't need to compete with Porsche (unlike what 90% of the people on BP think). Just make good BMWs.

[TractionControlDelete]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

https://s3.amazonaws.com/bmwmedia.ic...XU9BdM%2BcU%3D There must be stronger variation of this transmission since the M5 had 500ft-lbs of torque.

Oh there absolutely do. The Getrag S2AG85023E from the E6X generation M5 and M6. The BIG problem is that they didn't even release 3,000 of those transmissions to the public. 1,366 were produced for the E60 M5, 701 for the M6, and then another 577 for the F10 M5, plus F06 M6 Gran Coupe: 61, F12 M6 convertible: 80, and lastly the F13 M6 coupe: 68… That's it!! Curtains close. Audience puzzled. No encore. :

It's pretty legendary but was never seen or used again. I wouldn't be surprised at all if 3.0 CSL had a extremely limited run for its manual transmission - past is prelude. They'll be releasing 50 cars… see above.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Cause they don't make alot of money from the M2, so they are going to give you the lowest powered spec with the existing manual. If you want more HP/TQ, you are getting the ZF 8 speed.

What I'd like to see is a CS/CSL where they keep the manual and add no additional HP/TQ, and just focus exclusively on weight reduction: (As many carbon body panels as possible, no back seats, manual seats, cloth upholstery, no comfort access, no HUD, CCBs, Forged wheels, lightweight glass).

If that car is around $110k-$120k with the focus on driving experience over cost, I'm definitely a buyer. BMW doesn't need to compete with Porsche (unlike what 90% of the people on BP think). Just make good BMWs.

If they make one for the CS/CSL wouldn't they also want to also use that on the non-CS/CSL cars? Doesn't make sense to develop a MT just for those limited run cars. The F87 M2 CS for instance still had 406 lb-ft, same as the M2c so they didn't need to develop a new MT for it.

The more I think of it, it seems they are stuck at 406 lb-ft for the MT which is carried over from the F gen cars. I see nothing to indicate that's going to change, at least for now.

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Tag

If they make one for the CS/CSL wouldn't they also want to also use that on the non-CS/CSL cars? Doesn't make sense to develop a MT just for those limited run cars. The F87 M2 CS for instance still had 406 lb-ft, same as the M2c so they didn't need to develop a new MT for it.

I'm saying just use the existing manual for the next CS/CSL and put only 406 ft-lb in the car, but do all the other things I said. They aren't developing a new manual that handles more torque.

I don't care about 0-60 times over driving experience.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

I'm saying just use the existing manual for the next CS/CSL and put only 406 ft-lb in the car, but do all the other things I said. They aren't developing a new manual that handles more torque.

I don't care about 0-60 times over driving experience.

Sorry, I reread what you wrote and missed the "no" additional HP/TQ. I'm so primed to read people talking about new this and that nonsense that I must have read between the lines which I admit is a bad habit and I need to do better.

That said, sometimes I want to scream at my screen with all the things people are floating around, just want to say... you know they don't give a shit about this car. Literally everything off it was handed down from the G80/2 and all they did was the absolute minimum tuning to make it work on a smaller chassis. WTF makes you think they are going to spend anything on development for this car! But then I have some breakfast and simma down.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by Tag

Sorry, I reread what you wrote and missed the "no" additional HP/TQ. I'm so primed to read people talking about new this and that nonsense that I must have read between the lines which I admit is a bad habit and I need to do better.

That said, sometimes I want to scream at my screen with all the things people are floating around, just want to say... you know they don't give a shit about this car. Literally everything off it was handed down from the G80/2 and all they did was the absolute minimum tuning to make it work on a smaller chassis. WTF makes you think they are going to spend anything on development for this car! But then I have some breakfast and simma down.

Truth. That is why for the Comp they will simply add G80/82 base tune, offer both trans, add some M4 seats standard, black grilles/emblems...and call it a day. No need to over think this. If CS/CSL are getting more torque they will be auto only, unfortunately.

[Bumpinjeep]

If we're turning this thread into a CSL wish list, then I want a true CSL, not a money grab. I mean the L should be an L. 3300 lbs with 473 hp and a 6 speed, sounds like heaven to me. Besides, BMW under rates their motor anyway.
I guess one more thing to wish for, can it not look like shit, please?

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Those days are gone, BMW chose there path.

Yes, and the known two ways to have BMW continue to sell MT is to keep pointing out that ZF8 is just a pedestrian transmission - that you are getting a ripoff compared to F8x - and not purchasing the auto variant altogether; it's not even about bringing back M-DCT at this point.

People bitched about 4 cylinders in 718 and spoke with their wallet, so they brought the 6 cylinder NA engines back. Same with the manual transmission availability of 991.2 GT3s.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by kyrix1st

Yes, and the known two ways to have BMW continue to sell MT is to keep pointing out that ZF8 is just a pedestrian transmission - that you are getting a ripoff compared to F8x - and not purchasing the auto variant altogether; it's not even about bringing back M-DCT at this point.

People bitched about 4 cylinders in 718 and spoke with their wallet, so they brought the 6 cylinder NA engines back. Same with the manual transmission availability of 991.2 GT3s.

Well said !

[M4GIC]

G87 M2 in South Africa[/IMG]

[Ctothej]

Originally Posted by M4GIC

G87 M2 in South Africa[IMG][/IMG]

Hmm that rear though...

[Colinv6]

Originally Posted by M4GIC

G87 M2 in South Africa[/IMG]

Blimey, I’m not even sure after seeing that, that even Toronto red cab save it.

[Ctothej]

Front looks decent... rear I'm not so sure..