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M lites are always amazing on paper and raw performance... but you just don't have the extra bits of the "real" M cars that makes the car feel alive due to the extra chassis changes.
Faster car doesn't always mean more enjoyable to drive either. reminds me of this : |
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I understand why BMW thinks no steering feel is fitting for an X5 or even a base 5-series, but do they really think an M240i or M car buyer is turned off by steering feel? Only CS models have good steering. I love the CS models, but they've become an excuse to make subpar M cars. They made the conscious decisions to limit what made BMW famous (steering, suspension tuning) to very expensive, limited production run cars. |
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01-07-2022, 05:43 AM | #53 | |
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As discussed, the issue is not hydraulic vs EPS. BMW consciously chooses to remove feel from their EPS. They could have done the same thing with a hydraulic rack. When I drive older hydraulic racks now, I do think we've romanticized our memory of them somewhat. I generally prefer a good modern EPS to an older hydraulic rack. |
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This reminds me of when the N54 came out and people were not sure why the jump to the s65 was worth it. It all comes down to dynamics though, lets see if time treats this the same way!
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01-07-2022, 09:16 AM | #56 | ||
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BMW has not been an enthusiast brand for a long time, so the expectation that they cater to what we on the forum value is only going to lead to disappointment. That said, I would agree there should at least be better EPS in the M cars. No excuse there. I love my OG M2, and I don't find the steering to be terrible like my F30. It's very precise, But it's still lacking in the weight and feel I used to enjoy. When I drove my neighbors 135i this past summer, it certainly made me wish the M2 had its steeering feel. Hell, I've even found myself longing for my old e90 just to get a taste of the old hydraulic rack from time to time…to the point I've been poking around the used car market for one.
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A heavily tuned M2 CS is "only" getting to 60 in 3.2 seconds. https://drivetribe.com/p/the-m2-comp...SiytoBX_YQdoQg
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Porsche's EPS feels closest to hydraulic in my opinion. Back to back you'll notice the difference, but otherwise you get used to their EPS very fast and it feels very natural.
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I still need to get around to driving a Miata.
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Yeah, Front Engine and RWD, guessing 3.5 at best, will hardly be any lighter than M3 RWD with similar power and that does 3.6 to break 3.5 with RWD you really need mid or rear engine. |
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There's a lot more to it than just the steering programming. Somebody here with an engineering background can explain better.
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