[chris719]

Originally Posted by Squidget

I admit I'm surprised the G87 out skid-padded the CS, especially with the difference in tires (Cup2 vs PS4S) and weight. I frankly expected the CS to still hold the advantage in tests like skid pad and 0-30.

This has been said before, but DAMN does the G87 carry its weight well.

No need to be surprised. The G87 performs pretty much exactly the same as a G82, which is to be expected based on how many parts are shared. Even the F87 and Comp / CS perform extremely similarly to F82s.

[rwemersonrw]

Originally Posted by baron95

LOL

I think the opposite. BMW got more people talking about their M3/M4, and now M2, designs in the G-generation than ever before.

A good design elicits strong opinions.

A new Camry is not offensive. But no one talks about it's design.

Have you seen the dresses that women wore for the MOMA gala? It is all about being polarizing and provocative.

You may not agree with BMW's desire to be provocative. But that is what they are going for. In that sense, they hit it out of the ball park.

Get used to it. There will be a lot more to come from top brands. Bland is out. Provocative is in.

Haha I’m not a fan of those gala dresses haha

[M2PDX]

Enough already people.

Geeeezzzz

If you don't like the looks .... whoopdi do! Congratulations. Pat yourself on the back. Embrace your own self-brilliance. You are AMAZING! Really super duper extra specially insightful. Clearly much smarter than me. Perhaps you can move over to the 2023 Subaru WRX forum and bloviate to your heart's content there.


.....but I've got a secret ..... the rest of us don't care.

Let's move on. This discussion is getting STALE!

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by jmg

I think the E63 M6 looks awkward and weird... but I haven't driven it yet. What we all seem to forget is that aesthetic visual interpretation is an emotional reaction which is also heavily influenced by the other senses. For example, a plate of spaghetti is not particularly beautiful, but if you love the smell and taste of spaghetti, then the sight of the dish brings about a positive emotional response. Same for cars. If a heinous car drives like a dream and makes your pulse pound faster, then the sight of that car will bring about a positive emotional response.

In the case of your E63 M6, you love how it sounds and drives. I think it's ugly, but since I haven't had a positive visceral experience with the car, I can't appreciate it and can only judge on how it looks. I think the F13 is a much better looking M6, especially with the with the rear and improved headlights. Maybe if I drove them back to back that opinion might change.

Understood. Like I said, I’m just one of many who are pissed off that bmw chose to make their last “short” wheelbase drivers car look like that not to mention weigh just about the same as a similar equipped m4.

As for the f13, it’s gorgeous better looking but the e63 literally weighs 400 lbs less and has a v10 that is produces eargasms.

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by baron95

LOL

I think the opposite. BMW got more people talking about their M3/M4, and now M2, designs in the G-generation than ever before.

A good design elicits strong opinions.

A new Camry is not offensive. But no one talks about it's design.

Have you seen the dresses that women wore for the MOMA gala? It is all about being polarizing and provocative.

You may not agree with BMW's desire to be provocative. But that is what they are going for. In that sense, they hit it out of the ball park.

Get used to it. There will be a lot more to come from top brands. Bland is out. Provocative is in.

You mean the MET Gala?

[F32Fleet]

Originally Posted by 6speed_M2

The new M2 is twice the car of the old one, but with it only being 20-30lbs lighter than the M4 and having no xDrive option, less tech with the drivers assistance pack missing some items & having lower quality leather (no ventilated seats either), how can the M2 be better than the M4 in any objective way?

If the tiny fraction on the track from the weight means that much, the C7/8 Z06 is probably the better option.

The big difference is in the physical size. The M2 is a smaller package. The M2 is for people who couldn't care less about x-drive, or "low quality" leather, blah blah blah. Who needs driver assistance in a compact anyways?

[MMMGuy60]

The G80 M3/M4 is best seller. It is breaking records in sales. If the majority of the people hate it, who is buying them? Outside of the F87/F80 owners and trolls, the majority of the public like it. Enough of the 20-year-old bland BMW design, the public has spoken.

[M2PDX]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

Understood. Like I said, I’m just one of many who are pissed off that bmw chose to make their last “short” wheelbase drivers car look like that not to mention weigh just about the same as a similar equipped m4.

As for the f13, it’s gorgeous better looking but the e63 literally weighs 400 lbs less and has a v10 that is produces eargasms.

Like I said e36, (and I have an e36 M3) STOP! HAVEN'T WE HEARD YOUR OPINION OVER AND OVER AND OVER ALREADY???

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

I am not saying one over the other.
I am saying that if you really know your manual, you should not be “distracted” by doing it - it is completely natural just like walking. Some have argued that previous F87 should have current gear displayed, my argument was that it should be natural (hence like walking and no one needs to tell you what is the next foot you need to use) and I absolutely had no need for it in many years…

The problem with this argument is that it assumes everyone can get to that level of shifting zen. Even with effort, a lot of people never get the knack. Or they don't have the time. Or they need to share their car with a kid or spouse who can't be bothered.

We don't want to exclude our fellow enthusiasts who, for whatever reason, can't be "one with the manual." I want more people in this hobby, not less.

[Tallest]

Originally Posted by ROBM2C

You know every new model of every car outperforms the last . Just like the new iPhones outperform the last .

Motor trend has an article I’m sure saying how good the m2cs is over the M2C . I’m sure there is also an article that says the M2C is better then the previous m2.

There will be future articles saying how the new M2C or m2cs will outperform this as well ….

If it rains it will be wet, good forecast there.

PS. I read Camisas report, and he is probably so far only guy who did not give the new M2 such glowing review and preferred previous gen car. Of course it was not posted on front page.

[buckybadger]

It’s going to be a great car!
F or G, enjoy them all. They all have their characteristics, and both are great in their own ways!

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by Tallest

PS. I read Camisas report, and he is probably so far only guy who did not give the new M2 such glowing review and preferred previous gen car. Of course it was not posted on front page.

He's not the only guy. Throttle House, and SavageGeese, and also a few other influences.

[wesleyan92]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

Nice try �� . It’s a likely a FACT (yes I’m assuming to a degree, but there’s a strong basis from the forums and all the reviews) that the majority, as in number of opinions about the looks are negative (not just mine idiot). Apparently denial is not just a river in Egypt.

You can have facts about the NUMBER of opinions. It’s called polling. Do you not understand? This can quantitatively be tested. For EXAMPLE, in a polling sample of 10,000 people (we use samples in scientific research due to practicality), 8,000 thought the m2 looked like ass, 1,000 were neutral while 1,000 were positive. If i were to run a statistical analysis, I guarantee you that the conclusion would be a majority of people think the new m2 looks like ass (even in an m2 thread lol). Now go back to science class and at least get a passing grade ��‍♂️

Blocking condescending people such as you should be easier than 3 clicks.

[M2Cmtl]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

It's not, full stop. There is no way around it, putting a car into "D" is nowhere near as engaging as actually driving it. If for some reason you're chasing milliseconds on some racetrack then by all means, get a DCT. But in the real world, where you're going to spend 99.9% of the time, get the car you're actually going to enjoy driving.

You can say a lot about the Mt, slower, not the best this or that...but there is no way the ZF is more fun.

[zero21]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I think if there were a 7th manual gear, it would make it a more difficult choice, but for some of the reasons you mention, along with a dinky fuel tank, I will go for the auto. Is anyone thinking about figuring out how to add fuel capacity? Even 2 gallons would make a big difference. Along with a stage one tune, more fuel would be my top modification.

When my car was on the lift the first day I got it I was looking at fuel line capacity addition. We thought I could squeeze a gallon underneath with a custom line and fabrication, but it's not enough, nor worth the price of the job. There's no good place to add a bladder or tank addition.

[ourlee]

Originally Posted by Blue Angel

A manual is more engaging for a car you want to enjoy on the street at sane speeds up to 9/10. If lap times are your #1 priority, or you just suck at driving manual, or you are just lazy, get the automatic. Or if it’s your only car and you need AWD for winter.

I’ll sum it up like this:
Objectively, automatic is better
Subjectively, manual is better

True perhaps if the manual was from the Supra

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by wesleyan92

Blocking condescending people such as you should be easier than 3 clicks.

Condescending comments deserve condescending responses. Read the previous comment. As for blocking me, do you think I care about that?

[Al Bundy's Dodge]

Anyway, looking forward to my eventual migration to a Toronto red G87. Car looks solid in these pictures, and the performance can’t really be argued. Just need to run my F87 into the ground first.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by M2PDX

Like I said e36, (and I have an e36 M3) STOP! HAVEN'T WE HEARD YOUR OPINION OVER AND OVER AND OVER ALREADY???

This is a forum. A forum where opinions are given. If you don’t like it, tough. I’m clearly not the only one that feels bmw dropped the ball here.

Btw, are you the Bimmerpost Forums King or do you have a mouse in your pocket? Your use of the word “we” tends me to believe the latter. Good bye 🧌

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by E63M6_G42M240i

Btw, are you the Bimmerpost Forums King or do you have a mouse in your pocket?

.

[E63M6_G42M240i]

Originally Posted by m2ss

.

There’s the answer! 😂👍

[bromudez]

Originally Posted by baron95

LOL

I think the opposite. BMW got more people talking about their M3/M4, and now M2, designs in the G-generation than ever before.

A good design elicits strong opinions.

A new Camry is not offensive. But no one talks about it's design.

Have you seen the dresses that women wore for the MOMA gala? It is all about being polarizing and provocative.

You may not agree with BMW's desire to be provocative. But that is what they are going for. In that sense, they hit it out of the ball park.

Get used to it. There will be a lot more to come from top brands. Bland is out. Provocative is in.

Shame on Porsche for designing cars that aren’t being roasted online on a daily basis. Poor design, lads.