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      07-24-2021, 05:55 PM   #243
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You guys are being obtuse.

IF someone hated the G8X, they could simply order a car from another marquee (…just like those of us waiting months/over a year for our 992's or other automotive choice), buy used or save their money and wait. This situation we are in is TEMPORARY. Nobody HAS to buy a car NOW. The assertion that people buy the G8X simply because of the lack of options is stupid, right along with the assertion that people buy cars they don't think look particularly good. The latter might apply to a small sample size of buyers, but surely the majority buy cars they like. To assert that someone would spend $80-100k on a car they didn't like, and to use that rationale to explain why the G8X is selling…..is absurd.
These guys making this argument is just unbelievable to me. I like collecting Rolex watches. They are impossible to get right now. Not for me though just not right away. I have to wait. There’s some models I absolutely can’t stand and think are ugly. I never once considered buying one of those when I couldn’t get the actual one I loved and wanted. No one is going to spend $90,000 on something they think is ugly. That argument is just plain stupid.
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Yet when I see that picture I think, what kind of person who has any taste for elegance and flow would think that monstrosity on the right looks good? It looks like Grace Kelly with Adrian Brody's nose. It certainly coulda been beautiful, but WTF did BMW have to completely screw it up with that horrible AC vent thing on the front when the car on the left is graceful and has parts and pieces that all flow together.

I don't doubt some people like it. When I was a kid I thought the Astin Martin Loganda was a good looking car. Now I think not even Lexus could make anything that ugly. I had a cousin that owned a Pontiac Aztek. Plenty of people owned Gremlins back in the 70's. None of that makes something a work of art.

Fortunately, my tastes have matured so that now I understand a great work of art. When I was a kid, I'd never seen a Rembrandt or Renoir. Today, I've been to the Louvre, the best art museums in Florence and Milan, and certainly the best art museums in the US. There will always be people who can't see fugly and don't understand what true art is.
It seems to me you joined this forum just to troll G8X owners/enthusiast.
He could be a banned member who's returning under a new username lol
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      07-24-2021, 06:18 PM   #246
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You are the worst of us. You assume (incorrectly) that because you do not like something, it is impossible for others to have a contrary opinion. I respect your right to dislike the G80 and can understand why. You do not think it's possible to have a contrary opinion and assume I'm lying to myself to convince myself to like a $93k car that I secretly/subconsciously find ugly. That is a species of narcissism rarely seen.

I love the car. Here's my CS next to my G80, and I'll take my G80 every time.
Yet when I see that picture I think, what kind of person who has any taste for elegance and flow would think that monstrosity on the right looks good? It looks like Grace Kelly with Adrian Brody's nose. It certainly coulda been beautiful, but WTF did BMW have to completely screw it up with that horrible AC vent thing on the front when the car on the left is graceful and has parts and pieces that all flow together.

I don't doubt some people like it. When I was a kid I thought the Astin Martin Loganda was a good looking car. Now I think not even Lexus could make anything that ugly. I had a cousin that owned a Pontiac Aztek. Plenty of people owned Gremlins back in the 70's. None of that makes something a work of art.

Fortunately, my tastes have matured so that now I understand a great work of art. When I was a kid, I'd never seen a Rembrandt or Renoir. Today, I've been to the Louvre, the best art museums in Florence and Milan, and certainly the best art museums in the US. There will always be people who can't see fugly and don't understand what true art is.
You are perhaps the worst forum member of 2021. Dismissive, antagonistic, condescending with a good dose of arrogance mixed in.

Well spoken, sure. But there is no substance to anything you just said.
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      07-24-2021, 06:18 PM   #247
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And then the strong sales.
You say that as if strong sales corelate to anything design/beauty of the car itself. This may be true years ago, no longer with today's brand buyers.
It can look absolutely horrid yet brand zealots will still fork over cash.

Stop equating strong sales to anything of substance. If you like a broadly hated design just say it. No need to use a meaningless argument to support it.
Thank you for that thoroughly confusing response.

I have no opinion on this design, it's a test mule. I'm just suggesting the car will sell well.

You're suggesting I like a broadly hated design, ie, the g80? If that's your statement, I would say that the term "broadly hated" is a huge exaggeration. The vast majority of the public loves the G80 (driving around in one is an insane experience, people have universally positive responses in person), even if many long time BMW enthusiasts/consumers don't care for the front fascia, weight gain, etc.

If I am making an incorrect assumption about your inference please correct me.
The car is ugly dude get over it. I love how the people who bought the new M3/M4 are trying so hard to defend it. You bought it for the performance point blank period. And I guarantee if bmw had a package for a better looking grill everyone who bought it would have paid the price. So stop arguing.
A very subjective statement.

Most people I know that have seen the M3 in person actually like it. I personally think it looks awesome, and the performance, interior, tech is next level. The grille is functional for cooling and IMO makes the front end look that much more mean and aggressive.

To the people that haven't gotten over it yet I say keep on sleeping..
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      07-24-2021, 06:27 PM   #248
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I think this looks awesome.
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Front looks aggressive , the rear lights still look hideous…
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Beaver teeth owners sure are sensitive. Is this how the next 7-8 years are going to be?

This is a G87 thread, get the G80/2 crap out of here.
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      07-24-2021, 06:51 PM   #251
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Front looks aggressive , the rear lights still look hideous…
Interesting the article says the bumper leaks are bogus. Although the leak sure nailed the grills.
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I just ordered a 22 M3 in Richmond and there were no M3 cars on either lot and have not for the last two months.
A lot of the times the cars folks thinks are siting on dealer lots are cars in transit. Some dealers even use previous car pics that they no longer have. Case in point, in May I was in the market for a new car for a family member. Local dealer showed car in inventory, pics and all checked out.

Upon contacting them the car I saw online was not available for immediate pickup; it was in transit but options and color were the same. Order was placed and car arrived about two weeks later. This is why looking online don't tell you the real story, initiate a buy order and then you'll know for sure if what you see is actually sitting outside.
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A lot of the times the cars folks thinks are siting on dealer lots are cars in transit. Some dealers even use previous car pics that they no longer have. Case in point, in May I was in the market for a new car for a family member. Local dealer showed car in inventory, pics and all checked out.

Upon contacting them the car I saw online was not available for immediate pickup; it was in transit but options and color were the same. Order was placed and car arrived about two weeks later. This is why looking online don't tell you the real story, initiate a buy order and then you'll know for sure if what you see is actually sitting outside.
So that’s what you are going with?
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And then the strong sales.
You say that as if strong sales corelate to anything design/beauty of the car itself. This may be true years ago, no longer with today's brand buyers.
It can look absolutely horrid yet brand zealots will still fork over cash.

Stop equating strong sales to anything of substance. If you like a broadly hated design just say it. No need to use a meaningless argument to support it.
Thank you for that thoroughly confusing response.

I have no opinion on this design, it's a test mule. I'm just suggesting the car will sell well.

You're suggesting I like a broadly hated design, ie, the g80? If that's your statement, I would say that the term "broadly hated" is a huge exaggeration. The vast majority of the public loves the G80 (driving around in one is an insane experience, people have universally positive responses in person), even if many long time BMW enthusiasts/consumers don't care for the front fascia, weight gain, etc.

If I am making an incorrect assumption about your inference please correct me.
The car is ugly dude get over it. I love how the people who bought the new M3/M4 are trying so hard to defend it. You bought it for the performance point blank period. And I guarantee if bmw had a package for a better looking grill everyone who bought it would have paid the price. So stop arguing.
A very subjective statement.

Most people I know that have seen the M3 in person actually like it. I personally think it looks awesome, and the performance, interior, tech is next level. The grille is functional for cooling and IMO makes the front end look that much more mean and aggressive.

To the people that haven't gotten over it yet I say keep on sleeping..
There are plenty of people who have changed their minds about the car after seeing it, but BMW's own research showed it that only 20% of people liked the design. This comes straight from Dukec. The assertion that nobody likes the look is ridiculous, but so is the one that the only people who dislike it are a portion of the BMW community who can't get over changes from BMW's traditional design approach.
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So that’s what you are going with?
Huh? no comprehende señor. What's funny? my retort was to the folks who say they see many BMW's on dealer websites/inventory. Anyhow, I have no fight in this game. I am not outraged by the G8X cars design. In fact, I may end up in one in some distant future either G80 or G87. Once the G87 debuts I will decide which of the two I want.
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The more negative things you say about upcoming M2 the more you become part of the marketing department for BMW. You will contribute to increased sales and supply and demand issues. Which will drive the price through the roof!! Because this is what I know for sure, the new M2 will be fantastic to look at and drive!! BMW will not screw it up!!
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You are the worst of us. You assume (incorrectly) that because you do not like something, it is impossible for others to have a contrary opinion. I respect your right to dislike the G80 and can understand why. You do not think it's possible to have a contrary opinion and assume I'm lying to myself to convince myself to like a $93k car that I secretly/subconsciously find ugly. That is a species of narcissism rarely seen.

I love the car. Here's my CS next to my G80, and I'll take my G80 every time.

I’d personally take your M3 CS. The g80 has this “hey look at me” vibe and the color choice adds to that. The CS is elegant, refined, aggressive, muscular- it just flows and works.

The performance, technology and interior of the g80 is super attractive though for sure.
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I keep hearing people saying "that's it for me, I am switching to Porsche". Really? Grille is what did it for you? Bumper was the deciding factor? Have you ever driven a 911? I mean 911, not turbo, not turbo S, not RS, GT.... Porsche is on a different level whatsoever. If you think the difference between Porsche and BMW is the grille you have no clue what you are talking about.
I think for a lot of us it is the inflating price point which in this generation took quite the leap.
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I'm still first in line at my dealer for a G87 allocation when they're available, and nothing has made me want to get off that list yet. YMMV
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There are plenty of people who have changed their minds about the car after seeing it, but BMW's own research showed it that only 20% of people liked the design. This comes straight from Dukec. The assertion that nobody likes the look is ridiculous, but so is the one that the only people who dislike it are a portion of the BMW community who can't get over changes from BMW's traditional design approach.
I’m totally sticking with this. It’s completely accurate.

Ask 10 people that don’t know anything about M cars or give a crap about cars in general especially BMW what they think of the car and all 10 will say it’s awesome looking. Try it.
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I’m totally sticking with this. It’s completely accurate.

Ask 10 people that don’t know anything about M cars or give a crap about cars in general especially BMW what they think of the car and all 10 will say it’s awesome looking. Try it.
Is that why the comment sections of non-bmw media/blogs/forums are littered with hate?
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