[DrJLag420]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

Just called my dealer. 5 ahead of me and $10k markup. MFers! That may very well put me out of this car. Dammit.

Damn!

[Jbmw21]

Anyone in New Jersey not charging over msrp ????

Please help!!!

[m20e3087]

My bro in-law is looking for allocation for 23 Type R, every single place we called asking for ADM. Highest being 25K.

[ScullyD]

Are people seriously paying ADMs for this car? If so, the Fed may need to raise interest rates quite higher.

[Game]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Are people seriously paying ADMs for this car? If so, the Fed may need to raise interest rates quite higher.

Told ya.

[Vaticous]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Are people seriously paying ADMs for this car? If so, the Fed may need to raise interest rates quite higher.

LOL

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Game

Told ya.

Dealers asking ADMs doesn't mean people are paying them. I should have rephrased my question "is anyone here actually paying ADMs?" And do those doing that think they will get even more when they go to sell?

If so, the dealers are geniuses.

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Dealers asking ADMs doesn't mean people are paying them. I should have rephrased my question "is anyone here actually paying ADMs?" And do those doing that think they will get even more when they go to sell?

If so, the dealers are geniuses.

In some markets, you have buyers that are happy paying high premium prices. It is a bragging thing to flash their money.

I love BMWs not because of the status image they portray but because there are, for me, the most fun, dynamic, engaging cars I can afford. I would be quite happy if they were more accessible.

[Jbmw21]

I can't wait till BMW goes with corporate owned stores like Tesla and Apple. Bye bye lousy dealers!!!

[Game]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Dealers asking ADMs doesn't mean people are paying them. I should have rephrased my question "is anyone here actually paying ADMs?" And do those doing that think they will get even more when they go to sell?

If so, the dealers are geniuses.

People are paying ADM's for the G8X/Supra/Civic and you don't think the new M2 is going to get the same treatment?

If people are willing to pay, certain dealers will take advantage.

[ElHeffe]

Originally Posted by Jbmw21

Anyone in New Jersey not charging over msrp ????

Please help!!!

Worst case, use the BMW dealer finder and keep calling until you find a place that charges list. Worst case, you have to go one state over but I expect you could spend an hour or less making calls and get this sorted out.

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by ElHeffe

Worst case, use the BMW dealer finder and keep calling until you find a place that charges list. Worst case, you have to go one state over but I expect you could spend an hour or less making calls and get this sorted out.

This right here. I called places within 4 hours driving and near family. Worst case I need to go in to fill out paperwork I can make a visit out of it.

I ended up finding one about two hour drive

[KevinC]

Originally Posted by Jbmw21

I can't wait till BMW goes with corporate owned stores like Tesla and Apple. Bye bye lousy dealers!!!

Be careful what you wish for. You'll get the "Saturn experience" - no haggling, you pay straight MSRP, zero chance of negotiation. Sounds wonderful in the current market - not so great if/when the economy & supply chain ever return to normal.

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by KevinC

Be careful what you wish for. You'll get the "Saturn experience" - no haggling, you pay straight MSRP, zero chance of negotiation. Sounds wonderful in the current market - not so great if/when the economy & supply chain ever return to normal.

That’s how Tesla is as well. I mean I think they should have a hybrid approach. You can order from the manufacturer direct and get delivered to the dealership but if you want to buy from the dealer you can.

But I think they would never negotiate and just say well you can buy from factory at MSRP and wait.

I don’t think there’s any good solution besides better supply. And people refusing to pay over MSRP

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

That's how Tesla is as well. I mean I think they should have a hybrid approach. You can order from the manufacturer direct and get delivered to the dealership but if you want to buy from the dealer you can.

But I think they would never negotiate and just say well you can buy from factory at MSRP and wait.

I don't think there's any good solution besides better supply. And people refusing to pay over MSRP

I think the days of paying below MSRP are far away or gone forever. Manufacturers are seeing huge benefits from not over-building cars and dealers are fat off of ADMs.

I do believe you should not pay more than MSRP for any car as the risk is just too great that you hold the bag. For example, I'm paying MSRP on my M4 CSL that's coming in later this month and that's a limited model.

When I sold my DCT OG M2 after about 3 years, it sold for 38k and OTD I paid 62k. Expect that level of depreciation to return again.

People buying non-limited model cars expecting appreciation cause of the way the market worked for about 12 months, they will be the ones that hold the bag for everyone else.

[KevinC]

Remember the "1-price" dealership fad of the 1990s? They marked a "final" price on every car - next to the Monroney was another sticker with their price. Instead of one of those ADM stickers you don't like seeing on a car as you approach, this was the discounted price. No haggling, here's our offer, take it or leave it. People who hate negotiating loved it - others, not so much. I bought a '93 Sentra SE-R at such a dealership, at a MASSIVE discount, mainly because even though the automotive press loved the car, and budget enthusiasts flocked to it, it didn't sell well overall and there were always a plethora of them on dealer lots. Imagine walking onto a BMW lot in 2023 and seeing a long row of M2's in various configurations, with some jackass in a clip-on tie chasing you to make a lowball offer, price only good "today!".

[SEAT TIME RULES]

If you live in New England my dealership is selling at MSRP and we only have 2 orders in so far...We will not sell M cars outside of our region. If interested PM me...

HAZMAT

[m20e3087]

Originally Posted by SEAT TIME RULES

If you live in New England my dealership is selling at MSRP and we only have 2 orders in so far...We will not sell M cars outside of our region. If interested PM me...

HAZMAT

Hey man, are you planning to ordering one? Also I know you have been in touch with Ron for SSK for your F87, any idea if we can get one for our G87? Also are we able to spec it with cup 2s if we opt for the carbon pack?

[SEAT TIME RULES]

Originally Posted by m20e3087

Hey man, are you planning to ordering one? Also I know you have been in touch with Ron for SSK for your F87, any idea if we can get one for our G87? Also are we able to spec it with cup 2s if we opt for the carbon pack?

I'd chk with Ron.. If he's making a SSK for the G80/82 then I'm sure he'll make them for the G87..

As for your CUP 2 question I don't have all the info until we get official ordering guides. I'm surprised that BMW has not issued both the Retail Pricing and Ordering Guides for the US market yet..

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Are people seriously paying ADMs for this car? If so, the Fed may need to raise interest rates quite higher.

Originally Posted by Game

If people are willing to pay, certain dealers will take advantage.

The Fed is scheduled to meet this Friday, Nov 4th.


Then there is the reality of this too.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by T_U_D

The Fed is scheduled to meet this Friday, Nov 4th.


Then there is the reality of this too.

Yep, with this model, there are more than enough potential midlife crisis and trust fund babies consumers out there to keep the demand high enough, whereas, the dealers feel confident enough to charge a markup, without any shame - especially it being a new model and all.

To reiterate the obvious, the last two years was also an anomaly in consumer spending, not just with automobiles. There where lot of people making poor financial decisions based on the life's too short motto and as a result, it became a total seller's market, taking away any leverage in negotiation for sensible buyers. We are still experiencing the residual effects of this..

Eventually, when the music stops and reality begins to hits again, the auto market will again stabilize to the previous known business models, where one can negotiate a sweet discount off the manufacturer's asking price. But in the current economic climate and for an early adopters, expect to pay a markup..


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[Vaticous]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Yep, with this model, there are more than enough potential midlife crisis and trust fund babies consumers out there to keep the demand high enough, whereas, the dealers feel confident enough to charge a markup, without any shame - especially it being a new model and all.

To reiterate the obvious, the last two years was also an anomaly in consumer spending, not just with automobiles. There where lot of people making poor financial decisions based on the life's too short motto and as a result, it became a total seller's market, taking away any leverage in negotiation for sensible buyers. We are still experiencing the residual effects of this..

Eventually, when the music stops and reality begins to hits again, the auto market will again stabilize to the previous known business models, where one can negotiate a sweet discount off the manufacturer's asking price. But in the current economic climate and for an early adopters, expect to pay a markup..


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God, those headlines are disgusting. Imagine telling a potential customer that with a straight face.