[BRAKE!]

I found it distracting even at the track. If it’s like the g82 display, then the graphics are too big and it kept getting in the way of track out points and etc. I ended up turning it off (car was in auto anyway). I can see it being useful for giving directional arrows with navigation; however, for me, not worth $1100, especially with ID8 already pretty imposing

[Game]

Originally Posted by BRAKE!

I found it distracting even at the track. If it's like the g82 display, then the graphics are too big and it kept getting in the way of track out points and etc. I ended up turning it off (car was in auto anyway). I can see it being useful for giving directional arrows with navigation; however, for me, not worth $1100, especially with ID8 already pretty imposing

You can have the size reduced.

And yes more sense for the manual crowd for sure.

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by BRAKE!

I found it distracting even at the track. If it’s like the g82 display, then the graphics are too big and it kept getting in the way of track out points and etc. I ended up turning it off (car was in auto anyway). I can see it being useful for giving directional arrows with navigation; however, for me, not worth $1100, especially with ID8 already pretty imposing

You can change the size of it and move it

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by Game

You can have the size reduced.

And yes more sense for the manual crowd for sure.

For the MT crowd to have it or not have it?

I am going MT and I don't want it.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Albator_IIII

For the MT crowd to have it or not have it?

I am going MT and I don't want it.

This is the first BMW model in history that added a digital gear indicator for a manual transmission. Every other generation BMW was supposedly too cheap and found it an unnecessary expense to add the gear sensor within a manual gearbox.

That alone is a good reason to opt for the head-up display for that performance driving. When one is speed-shifting and hanging ten around the apex, it is nice to have a digital reminder of what gear you're in without having to do that brief mental remapping and possible avoid money-shifting.

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by Poochie

This is the first BMW model in history that added a digital gear display, for a manual transmission. Every other generation BMW was supposedly too cheap and found it an unnecessary expense to add the gear sensor within a manual gearbox.

That alone is a good reason to opt for the head-up display for that performance driving. When one is speed-shifting and hanging ten around the apex, it is nice to have a digital reminder of what gear you're in without having to do that brief mental remapping and possible avoid money-shifting.

I wish we could opt the good old round analog display. I would consider crank windows if they offered it.

[GrannyShiftG80]

Originally Posted by Albator_IIII

For the MT crowd to have it or not have it?

I am going MT and I don't want it.

Race car shift lights yes pls

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Albator_IIII

I wish we could opt the good old round analog display. I would consider crank windows if they offered it.

Since the instrument cluster is now a digital display, the design possibilities is limitless. So I hoped BMW would of at least allow for some available customization, even maybe a skeuomorphic old-school round gauge but it seems to be a linear, closed design, with only a few alternative mode options.

[86zccrx]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Since the instrument cluster is now a digital display, the design possibilities is limitless. So I hoped BMW would of at least allow for some available customization, even maybe a skeuomorphism old-school round gauge but it seems to be a linear, closed design, with only a few alternative mode options.

I completely agree and that is the one thing that disappoints me in general with car companies moving to digital screens. They could offer unlimited options for customizations or aftermarket support for gauges but don't. Hopefully in the future they open up the displays to 3rd party developers or at least offer more options for layout and design.

[pissclams]

Originally Posted by 86zccrx

I completely agree and that is the one thing that disappoints me in general with car companies moving to digital screens. They could offer unlimited options for customizations or aftermarket support for gauges but don't. Hopefully in the future they open up the displays to 3rd party developers or at least offer more options for layout and design.

it’ll never happen in the us due to a lot of very good reasons, one of the biggest of which is liability

[T_U_D]

Originally Posted by pissclams

it’ll never happen in the us due to a lot of very good reasons, one of the biggest of which is liability

Agreed. This is mostly why the U.S. tends to not get various EU options. Americans love to sue at the drop of a hat.

[Sethhboii]

Originally Posted by Game

Seems like for $1100 you're essentially paying for just the head-up display despite the phrasing "Live Cockpit Pro (including HUD)".

Are you equipping your G87 with it?

I specd it. I literally only want the HUD so oh well I guess.

[akhbhaat]

Originally Posted by Tag

I find the HUD distracting and unnecessary. I can see its benefit if you're tracking the car, otherwise it's not a must have IMO.

Actually, it's an even bigger detriment if you are tracking the car.

We teach vision skills in primary performance driving schools for a reason, and any competent performance driving program will have vision exercises in place before they ever send you out on track. Car goes where your eyes go. You should be looking ahead at braking points, turn-in points, and apexes (and as you advance, mirrors, so you can manage traffic), not instrumentation (same is true of primary flight training, actually). Speeds change as tires/brakes warm and cool so everything is done by feel (I don't even know what speeds I reach through various segments until I review the post-session recordings).

The HUD pulls your eyes to a place where you don't want them to go (bottom edge of your outside forward FOV) and provides zero useful information. Speedometer (as mentioned) doesn't matter on track. Tach barely matters, but only if you're driving an MT and even then analog instrumentation (or shift lights) is preferred because you can easily read it in your peripheral. Porsche (with the giant centered analog tach) has the ideal setup for a mixed-used road/track car.

That said, I wouldn't buy an M2 for track use in the first place.

[rk95]

Originally Posted by akhbhaat

Actually, it's an even bigger detriment if you are tracking the car.

We teach vision skills in primary performance driving schools for a reason, and any competent performance driving program will have vision exercises in place before they ever send you out on track. Car goes where your eyes go. You should be looking ahead at braking points, turn-in points, and apexes (and as you advance, mirrors, so you can manage traffic), not instrumentation (same is true of primary flight training, actually). Speeds change as tires/brakes warm and cool so everything is done by feel (I don't even know what speeds I reach through various segments until I review the post-session recordings).

The HUD pulls your eyes to a place where you don't want them to go (bottom edge of your outside forward FOV) and provides zero useful information. Speedometer (as mentioned) doesn't matter on track. Tach barely matters, but only if you're driving an MT and even then analog instrumentation (or shift lights) are preferred because you can easily read it in your peripheral. Porsche (with the giant centered analog tach) has the ideal setup for a mixed-used road/track car.

That said, I wouldn't buy an M2 for track use in the first place.

Can't you just move the HUD to the center of the driver's view like in the previous f8x generation….?

[ElHeffe]

Originally Posted by pissclams

it’ll never happen in the us due to a lot of very good reasons, one of the biggest of which is liability

Take a look at some of the very recent Apple CarPlay videos. There's a battle between Google/Apple vs OEMs as far as how much they'll allow. It wouldn't take too much imagination to see a store built into each car to allow different approved themes/skins. Audi has done market research on allowing it for at least the infotainment skins/themes and charging for them. If there's money to be made by fleecing the customers, it will be difficult for the OEM's to resist.

Here's a very short link to a demo. You can see more at Apple's WWDC.
https://youtu.be/ptgKnZJnaRc?t=302

[Game]

Drove an M3 with the HUD today...I did love the shift lights in sport mode. Still don't know if it's worth it.

[DrJLag420]

Originally Posted by Game

Drove an M3 with the HUD today...I did love the shift lights in sport mode. Still don't know if it's worth it.

I'm going to spec it. My wife likes her HUD on the R. Been driving the R more and I like it too. If I decide it's annoying, I'll turn it off.

[rk95]

Originally Posted by DrJLag420

I'm going to spec it. My wife likes her HUD on the R. Been driving the R more and I like it too. If I decide it's annoying, I'll turn it off.

It's 100% worth it. Almost traded my old 18 M4 in for a 21 RS5 but didn't pull the trigger because the Audi didn't have the parking package or HUD. Deal breaker

[Game]

Drove a manual G80 with the HUD and removed it from my order.

Just unnecessary and the normal view is massive and can’t be reduced.

[Ravenseal]

The longer I've had HUDs, the more I find myself turning them off. I barely use it on my M240i right now. Waiting for an M2 allocation and I think I might skip that all together just to go against the ADM being forced on consumers. Same shit with the useless wireless charger.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

The longer I've had HUDs, the more I find myself turning them off. I barely use it on my M240i right now. Waiting for an M2 allocation and I think I might skip that all together just to go against the ADM being forced on consumers. Same shit with the useless wireless charger.

I've always found the HUD too distracting and just never got used to it. I won't be getting it on the G87 and will instead put that $$$ towards a CF roof.

[DBV]

Originally Posted by Poochie

This is the first BMW model in history that added a digital gear indicator for a manual transmission. Every other generation BMW was supposedly too cheap and found it an unnecessary expense to add the gear sensor within a manual gearbox.

That alone is a good reason to opt for the head-up display for that performance driving. When one is speed-shifting and hanging ten around the apex, it is nice to have a digital reminder of what gear you're in without having to do that brief mental remapping and possible avoid money-shifting.

My 2016 F80 M3 had the digital indicator. I was a fan of that, for all the reasons you stated.