[npirnia]

Originally Posted by M2siast

On the topic of F87 laptimes, you can’t forget Thomas owns an F87.

It’s a known fact drivers need time to learn the cars/tracks. He’s mastered the F87. So anyone can say, for example, that an M2 CS would not have been quicker than the next car down, had the reviewer owned that car instead.

That's a really good point!

-Nick

[M3R1]

Originally Posted by npirnia

That's a really good point!

-Nick

The M2c and M2cs track times were run before he owned his OG.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by M3R1

The M2c and M2cs track times were run before he owned his OG.

Good to know. Looks like he got it at the end of '21.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

Everything that can be objectively measured is superior in the G87.

Easy to ignore all the other stuff that's pure opinion.

Gosh I can't wait until the next gen fully electric m2 puts down better numbers and is better in every objective way, and suddenly the same people who only care about objective numbers, will start screaming about the subjective quality of ICE cars, a MT, less weight, the g87, character etc.

[AlpineBoost]

Originally Posted by akkando

Gosh I can't wait until the next gen fully electric m2 puts down better numbers and is better in every objective way, and suddenly the same people who only care about objective numbers, will start screaming about the subjective quality of ICE cars, a MT, less weight, the g87, character etc.

Anyone would be hard-pressed to stir the pot, cry, kick and scream as much as people have over the G87, but we'll just have to wait and see.

I have no intention of buying one, but I'm interested to see how the 718 EV plays out. If/when I do get an EV I'll still keep my manual ICE cars for however long it makes sense to. It's crazy how we're allowed to own and enjoy multiple cars and aren't forced to ditch our current ride for the next generation

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by akkando

Gosh I can't wait until the next gen fully electric m2 puts down better numbers and is better in every objective way, and suddenly the same people who only care about objective numbers, will start screaming about the subjective quality of ICE cars, a MT, less weight, the g87, character etc.

You’re wrong in my case. I’m ready for the first sports EV coupe that isn’t $2mm or Tesla vaporware.

Proof of the childishness of this debate from F87 folks. “Yeah, well the next-next M2 is going to be even better than yours!” OK? Fantastic.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

You’re wrong in my case. I’m ready for the first sports EV coupe that isn’t $2mm or Tesla vaporware.

Proof of the childishness of this debate from F87 folks. “Yeah, well the next-next M2 is going to be even better than yours!” OK? Fantastic.

That wasn't my point at all.

[440i6MT]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

This is my 3rd manual M car (F80, F87C, G87) and I absolutely love it. The car is a huge step up from the F series and an absolute gem to drive with the 6 speed. The transmission is really enjoyable and the car is fast as all hell.
Here's my hot take:
1. The car is a rocket. It is significantly faster than a F87 when you get into power band. The thing is, the power bands are simply tuned differently in the two cars (one is for low/mid range while the other is mid/upper range).
2. The car handles much better than the F87 (front end grip is great, the back end grip is progressive). It's not like the F87 handled bad or anything, it's a great car that is super enjoyable to drive, pure even. It's just that the G87 simply has more grip and you can extract more out of it.
3. The overall quality of the car is higher.
4. It's priced like a Cayman but competes with the 911 (2 door coupe with 4 seats, 6 speed manual, small-ish, RWD, comes with carbon buckets, both have 6 cylinder turbo motors, both German, etc...)

Frankly, if you can drive one, drive one, the car is a 10/10.

That's just, like, your opinion man

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

4. It's priced like a Cayman but competes with the 911 (2 door coupe with 4 seats, 6 speed manual, small-ish, RWD, comes with carbon buckets, both have 6 cylinder turbo motors, both German, etc...)

Makes you wonder why anyone in their right mind would buy a 911...

[ronin13013]

An opinion based on his personal experience with both cars Clown.

Originally Posted by 440i6MT

That's just, like, your opinion man

[babym_gen]

Originally Posted by Covfefe

So I’ll see you in 7 years time when the 4700 pound electric M2 is darting around the Nurburgring ...

And setting a sub 7:15 time somehow.

[npirnia]

Originally Posted by bunker

It’s really very close, and the RS3 doesn’t look like someone forgot to design the nose.

The RS3 has a nose?

-Nick

[bromudez]

Originally Posted by Fugly M3

No, for one reason. BMW (and Porsche, for that matter) are supremely good at one thing. Each successive generation car is better than the last but not better than the last iteration of the trim above it (or in some cases, a model above). Hence, the new M2 is better than the last M2/M2C but not better than the CS. If anything, with a DCT and the Cup 2s, there is a chance the F87 might tie with the G87 on this short circuit, but not on a long track. But the M2C was a C, not a base car you might say...true, but it was also the base car as it was the only car.

Pretty sure the G80/2 are already obliterating the numbers of the F80/2 CS

[thaalrasha]

From what I understand the G87 is more capable than the F87 (thank god) and better behaved. Doesn't mean it's actually better / interesting as an overall experience to drive... Like EVs, they are surely capable in some aspect and faster, do I want to drive that ? hell no.

I've had an F87, and F82 and currently an AWD G80. Of course the G80 is faster anywhere, safer, slides so predictable and progressive and list goes on... Is it more fun than my previous F82 / F87 and it's loud DCT fart when upshifting during WOT near the red line? not a chance... Do you need to respect it otherwise it might kill you by snapping ? No... Now to get "fun" in a G80 you absolutely need a track to make that car feel alive, and it's at least as much engaging there. The F gen was easier to have fun with on the normal road and speeds. So I can kind of understand what Thomas was trying to say in that review. Objectively the new car is better... but subjectively you'd take the old one for a fun week end drive.

[m2ss]

Originally Posted by thaalrasha

From what I understand the G87 is more capable than the F87 (thank god) and better behaved. Doesn't mean it's actually better / interesting as an overall experience to drive... Like EVs, they are surely capable in some aspect and faster, do I want to drive that ? hell no.

I've had an F87, and F82 and currently an AWD G80. Of course the G80 is faster anywhere, safer, slides so predictable and progressive and list goes on... Is it more fun than my previous F82 / F87 and it's loud DCT fart when upshifting during WOT near the red line? not a chance... Do you need to respect it otherwise it might kill you by snapping ? No... Now to get "fun" in a G80 you absolutely need a track to make that car feel alive, and it's at least as much engaging there. The F gen was easier to have fun with on the normal road and speeds. So I can kind of understand what Thomas was trying to say in that review. Objectively the new car is better... but subjectively you'd take the old one for a fun week end drive.

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[ACoup01]

How much more will they bang on about the weight. I have looked up a bunch of cars and cars considered super in the last 15-20 years with the same or less horsepower were heavier yet they raved about them. Boring!!!! Change the content gents!

[burkhacs]

Originally Posted by JustinHEMI

Thanks for the summary so I don't have to give a click and a view.

What’s wrong with supporting TH?

[dmboone25]

The most annoying thing about this review is that you can’t get either car very easily. My lady is interested in the new M2, but the HEA car has already been sold at our local dealer, and she didn’t get a chance to drive it. Same thing with the RS3, she really likes it, but we can’t even find one to sit in, much less drive - there’s a waiting list a mile long and very few allocations.

With that being said, both are worth wanting. I like the styling of the Audi better (especially the interior) but I’m sure the M2 is a more entertaining drive.

[JustinHEMI]

Originally Posted by burkhacs

What’s wrong with supporting TH?

Nothing if you like wish.com top gear.

[rcouchh]

Wish I could test drive an RS3 and it wouldn’t take years to get one if I signed up today. It does seem like a fun car, and similarly spec’d is around $70k.
It does look and sound great, but since I got into the G87 process so early I’ll have to stick to it

It is funny how TH shits on the G87 soooo hard still but then says how every area of the car performs amazing. Get over it boys it added a couple hundred pounds for way more power and capability.

[FoxyP]

Originally Posted by moodyhank82

Did they weigh the M2 with Thomas in it? No way it is 3,968 pounds with the carbon seats and roof as shown before the drag race.

The weight is correct. Its the official EU weight of the M2 with the automatic. The quotet 1800kg include the driver with 68kg and luggage with 7kg. So that means without driver the stock M2 auto should weigh in at 1725kg.

[02M3ForMe]

Originally Posted by akkando

That wasn't my point at all.

I understand your prediction that current G87 owners are going to become hypocrites when the next M2 comes out and it’s inevitably better. As I said, you’re wrong in my case; I’ve had 3 M2C and enjoyed them until BMW M made something better. I’ll enjoy my G87s until they make something better, likely starting with Comp, CS, or CSL variants.

G87 owners in 2023 are likely to be early adopters and are fine with change and are less likely to cling to older tech.

If your finer point is to preemptively call G87 owners hypocrites for possibly having qualms with going from ICE to EV, that makes no sense and is not a good point. F87 -> G87 is nothing like the coming EV transition, completely disingenuous argument.