[Vegas_Sirk]

Hey guys Im ready to step up from my Canon Rebel XT to some thing newer and better. I was looking at both the 5D and the 40D but Im not sre which way to go.

So here are my thoughts:

40D-

-More FPS (which is good for shooting motorsports)
-Compatible with pretty much all the lenses
-Cheaper
-New model (will not be out dated soon)

5D-

-Pro Body
-Full Frame
-higher mega pix
-Max use of "L" series lenses

My worry with the 5D is Canon coming out with a new model. Anyone have any idea of when they plan to replace the 5D? Can anyone else give and benifits of choosing one over the other???
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[Gripster]

I went through this when deciding where to go from my 300D (First Digi-Rebel). From the reading I did, the 40D picture quality is on par or exceeds the 5D in most situations.

If you choose 5D route, then definitely wait for the upgrade. There's no clue when it will come unfortunately, but you can have the 40D now.

[remmib]

I just upgraded from my 350D (Rebel XT) and I was torn between the 5D and 40D. I ended up with the 40D mainly because of its brand new, its half the price of the 5D, much faster FPS, bigger and better screen, Live view (pretty cool actually), body is just is good as the 5D.

[Vegas_Sirk]

yea after looking at them more I think the 40D is a better buy .... it has live view, built in sensor cleaning, and more.
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[e92phreak]

Rumor has it that the update to the 5D is coming January 24th. Here are the rumored specs, and don't forget one important factor that the 40D is not... FULL FRAME.

The Canon 5D Mark II is rumored to include the following specs:
16MP DIGIC III
14 bit RAW
sRAW format
3″ LCD
Live View
Refined AF (similar to 40D)
Semi Weather Sealing
4-5 FPS

[e92phreak]

I have the 5D and love it. If you plan to do some serious photography and perhaps some semi-pro shoots, you want to go with a 5D. I would never goto a photographer that has anything lower than a 5D (i.e. 40D, 30D, 20D, 10, Rebel (any flavor).

[TurboFan]

XTi, 40d, 5d, - it's all equipment masturbation. Why does it matter what body a photographer has? Aren't you paying for their work? If the guy wants to use a pin camera or a Kodak Brownie, who cares?

Bottom line, the camera is a light tight box with a hole. Why do you want to trade in the XTi? What are it's shortcomings for you? I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, but I'm wondering what you expect the new camera to do that the old one can't. The photographer is the artist, the one making the image, the camera body is but one tool of the artist.

That said, I did choose to upgrade my DSLR about a year ago, but I was looking for a faster buffer, better AF and a higher frame rate. I see frame rate mentioned above - why do you need a faster one? I needed it because I shoot wildlife in Africa, and I bracket. I can shoot 7-9 frames of one animal looking for that expression and exposure combination. I'll probably upgrade again in 1-2 years as my current camera doesn't have a full frame sensor, but I'm still getting great shots w/ a crop sensor, so I'm not in a huge hurry.

To the OP, what do you like to shoot? That is another important question in determining an upgrade. The XTi is a great beginner camera, and I can see wanting to upgrade, but remember, the camera isn't making the image, you are, so don't expect your photography to improve with a new body. In fact, it will probably worsen briefly while you adjust to your new tools.

[Vegas_Sirk]

I have had my Rebel XT for 2 years now and there are some short comings for it and for me. One I like to shoot motorports and landscape. I have been looking for a camera with a higher FPS for shooting motorsports. Also now that Im getting more serious Im buying better lenses (i.e. "L series") and would like to get max image quality out of them. Also Im looking for more options on AF metering modes as the XT is limited and last but not least I like shooting HDR (realistic HDR not the typical stuff ou see people posting up here on the forums) and the XT will only do +/= 2 stops.

I disagree with E92phreak about a hiring anyon that shoots with a body lower then a 5D as I have seen TONS of shots that are professional print quality on entry DSLRs and even some on newer point and shoos like Canons new G9 (which is actually on my list of tools to buy as a back up camera).
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[TurboFan]

SO.... if I understand correctly, you want a higher frame rate (seems like a good reason), and max image quality - that points to a full frame sensor.

As far as AF metering modes, I'm not sure I understand - do you mean program modes? You'll see fewer, not more, as you get into better cameras. I don't even know how to use these on my camera!

I didn't know the XT will only do +/- 2 stops. That's pretty weak in my book. You don't need this feature for HDR, but I do agree it makes it easier!

Sounds to me like you need the 5D. I don't beleive the 40D is full frame? I currently shoot w/ a D200 (Nikon) and won't be upgrading until they get something along the lines of a D3x - something full frame, with a sensor approaching 20MP.

[remmib]

Originally Posted by TurboFan

SO.... if I understand correctly, you want a higher frame rate (seems like a good reason), and max image quality - that points to a full frame sensor.

As far as AF metering modes, I'm not sure I understand - do you mean program modes? You'll see fewer, not more, as you get into better cameras. I don't even know how to use these on my camera!

I didn't know the XT will only do +/- 2 stops. That's pretty weak in my book. You don't need this feature for HDR, but I do agree it makes it easier!

Sounds to me like you need the 5D. I don't beleive the 40D is full frame? I currently shoot w/ a D200 (Nikon) and won't be upgrading until they get something along the lines of a D3x - something full frame, with a sensor approaching 20MP.

Problem with 5D, if you want a fast camera, is that its 3 FPS, same as XT, but the 40D is 6,5 FPS.

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by e92phreak

Rumor has it that the update to the 5D is coming January 24th. Here are the rumored specs, and don't forget one important factor that the 40D is not... FULL FRAME.

The Canon 5D Mark II is rumored to include the following specs:
16MP DIGIC III
14 bit RAW
sRAW format
3″ LCD
Live View
Refined AF (similar to 40D)
Semi Weather Sealing
4-5 FPS

I have a 20D and waiting to upgrade to a new one, probably the successor to the 40D.

What are the benefits of a full frame camera?

[OC Guy]

Turbofan is on the money. There are some professional photographers who do this type of stuff for a living that don't need cameras such as a 5D.

It really depends on your budget. If you get a 5D are you still going to have money for glass?

Start with budget, then feel, and then features IMO.

http://kenrockwell.com/tech/notcamera.htm

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by T Bone

I have a 20D and waiting to upgrade to a new one, probably the successor to the 40D.

What are the benefits of a full frame camera?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/full...-advantage.htm

[TurboFan]

Originally Posted by remmib

Problem with 5D, if you want a fast camera, is that its 3 FPS, same as XT, but the 40D is 6,5 FPS.

Wow thats bad. I think I'd wait for the upgrade.

I don't know much about the Canon line, my stuff is Nikon. I'm still waiting for that "perfect" camera myself - all the features of my D200 in full frame, but I want better resolution if I'm dropping that much money again.

Originally Posted by T Bone

What are the benefits of a full frame camera?

The advantage of full frame has to do with pixel density on the CMOS / CCD. Even an "analog" lens has a finite level of resolution, and current pixel counts on cropped sensors (DX in Nikon speak, don't know what Canon calls it) approaches the limit of the lens. Some people think that much over 8mp on a cropped sensor is about the limit.

So, with a full frame sensor, you can take advantage of higher pixel counts. That matters to me, because I print most of my work at 16x20 and larger. I'd like to print some of my landscapes at 36" wide, but I don't have the resolution. Yet.

[TurboFan]

Originally Posted by OC 335i

Turbofan is on the money. There are some professional photographers who do this type of stuff for a living that don't need cameras such as a 5D.

It really depends on your budget. If you get a 5D are you still going to have money for glass?

Start with budget, then feel, and then features IMO.

http://kenrockwell.com/tech/notcamera.htm

Originally Posted by OC 335i

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/full...-advantage.htm

hahahaha Ken rockwell is outstanding. I can spend hours reading his writeups and looking at his photos. I'd like to meet him in person - very interesting individual.

[Vegas_Sirk]

Originally Posted by TurboFan

SO.... if I understand correctly, you want a higher frame rate (seems like a good reason), and max image quality - that points to a full frame sensor.

As far as AF metering modes, I'm not sure I understand - do you mean program modes? You'll see fewer, not more, as you get into better cameras. I don't even know how to use these on my camera!

I didn't know the XT will only do +/- 2 stops. That's pretty weak in my book. You don't need this feature for HDR, but I do agree it makes it easier!

Sounds to me like you need the 5D. I don't beleive the 40D is full frame? I currently shoot w/ a D200 (Nikon) and won't be upgrading until they get something along the lines of a D3x - something full frame, with a sensor approaching 20MP.

LOL not more metering modes as in "sports" "port" ect ... as in more AF points and like more metering modes (spot metering ect.)

Really I wish Canon made a 40D with a full frame sensor and thats what I would get for sure (I guess they do ... its called the 1D Mark III ..lol) but something in the 5D budget range.
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[OC Guy]

^ if the 40D was FF I would've definitely bought it lol.

[TurboFan]

Originally Posted by M3This

LOL not more metering modes as in "sports" "port" ect ... as in more AF points and like more metering modes (spot metering ect.)

Really I wish Canon made a 40D with a full frame sensor and thats what I would get for sure (I guess they do ... its called the 1D Mark III ..lol) but something in the 5D budget range.

Ok, that makes more sense!

I get around this by keeping the selector in the center of the frame and using AF-lock. I position the middle AF point over the desired point, let the camera focus, and then press and hold the AF-lock. The camera holds the focus as long as you hold down the button, so now you can re-crop and shoot. Sounds complicated, but it's much quicker than trying to select the proper AF point every time in the view finder.

The only time this wouldn't work is if you were trying to shoot a moving target changing distances from you, and you don't want to center it in the frame - like a skier coming down a hill, or possibly a paning shot of a car going by. BUUUUUT, it's an idea to tide you over until the new 5D comes out with a higher frame rate. Or switch to Nikon and get the D3!

[Etnies]

I would go with the the 40D.

You only need more MP if you're going to be doing large prints.
The 5D was not really meant to be used for action shots, hence the low FPS. That's what the 1D line is for. But the 40D has a pretty decent FPS, so it's there if you need it.
Full frame has its benefits, but you can save a good chunk of money by buying the 40D, and get a good ultra-wide angle lens if you really want that wide end.

Or wait for the 5D successor and contemplate this decision again.