[overcoil]

Watch this video and who do you think is to blame ?

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[G4BR13L]

Although it looks likes Steve Hill drives into Jim Booth, I believe that he wanted to drive the ideal racing line. If I am not mistaken (as I am not a pro), is the "slowest" driver supposed to stay on the ideal racing line whilst the "faster" car should try to overtake outside the ideal racing line. In this case one could argue about where the "ideal racing line" is.

[thebishman]

Jesus Christ, I hope the guy in the Grey car was blacked flagged for that. He deliberately took out the Red car and could have easily killed the other driver.

[M3Bimmer77]

Blind spot?! This happens a lot on races. Mirrors are so small and drivers can easily loose track of other drivers. The black car should have not move into the red car's line!!!! What was his reason for doing it? Obviously he was interviewed and questioned, right? Some one knows the reason?

[1LegitM235i]

Guys, I'm not a race car driver, however, when I'm driving, my situational awareness is always on. Even much more during any spirited driving. So, for the black Ferrari to say he didn't see the "red" car or he was following the "line", is complete BS. He knew he was there and was about to pass him.

IMO, everyone is responsible for their integrity. Not sure what the outcome of any charges, but, it looks to me Steve Hill will have to deal with guilty conscious for the rest of his life.

[inTgr8r]

Red car was to blame, the grey car was driving the line through the kink.

[Blksnowflake]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

Red car was to blame, the grey car was driving the line through the kink.

Kinda what I saw, he didn't really have room to pass as the black car was taking the proper line for the turn. At 150 plus miles and hour going into a turn, it's kind of challenging to be looking at mirrors......and the last time he checked them it's quite possible the spot was clear as he rode his line.

But I'm just some dude watching a video on the internet.

[csu87]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

Red car was to blame, the grey car was driving the line through the kink.

Originally Posted by Blksnowflake

Kinda what I saw, he didn't really have room to pass as the black car was taking the proper line for the turn. At 150 plus miles and hour going into a turn, it's kind of challenging to be looking at mirrors......and the last time he checked them it's quite possible the spot was clear as he rode his line.

But I'm just some dude watching a video on the internet.

I agree with you guys. Seems the red car tried to pass in a tight spot before a curve and that is on him.

[AW335TT]

Seems there was a slight turn coming up and the grey car took a normal line, red car shouldn't have tried to pass on the inside.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

Seems there was a slight turn coming up and the grey car took a normal line, red car shouldn't have tried to pass on the inside.

I started to reply and realized I don't know enough about racing rules to comment. The one think I can say is the red car got smacked. Glad nobody got hurt.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by sygazelle

I started to reply and realized I don't know enough about racing rules to comment. The one think I can say is the red car got smacked. Glad nobody got hurt.

In reference to your post about them being at turn 1, they were actually going to turn 5, which after a slight kink is a sharp left.

[MalibuBimmer]

Consensus on YouTube: Black car was at fault. He didn't have to take the line he took for the kink to set up for the turn, so he was actually trying to block the red car. On the other hand, the red driver used bad judgment although by getting his nose up he had the ROW.

I don't know enough about racing to pass judgment. Looked like a stupid move to me by both drivers.

[sygazelle]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

In reference to your post about them being at turn 1, they were actually going to turn 5, which after a slight kink is a sharp left.

Thanks. I caught that mistake and edited my post. You probably clicked on it before the edit.

When I googled the accident there was an article with a diagram of the Race America track. This diagram had a red arrow before turn 1. I thought that arrow represented the location of the accident. See kids, even if you edit or delete a post its too late.....

[mojobmw_e90]

Red car.looks like he slightly touched the grass and lost traction and that little touch was enough to send him flying.

[DC-T]

Risky trying to pass there. Hard to call for me...

[thebishman]

Originally Posted by csu87

I agree with you guys. Seems the red car tried to pass in a tight spot before a curve and that is on him.

Watch it again guys. The Grey/Black car did not just move over to what he thought was the line, he deliberately and suddenly 'hip checked' the Red car to stop him passing/put him off course. It was a stupid move and could have killed the other driver; thank God the car saved him.
Bish

[dnvrdrvr]

The red car is to blame. It's the responsibility of the overtaking car to do it safely. I don't know the rules of this particular series, but typically racing room is required only once you've presented yourself a certain length up the side of the car you're overtaking. In this case, the red car's nose hasn't even cleared the rear wheel. Additionally, the car in front has the right to make one move to defend position. It's hard to say if the driver of the black car was defending or driving the ideal line... regardless, the driver of the red car should have backed out. Really glad he's okay though - scary crash.

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by thebishman

Watch it again guys. The Grey/Black car did not just move over to what he thought was the line, he deliberately and suddenly 'hip checked' the Red car to stop him passing/put him off course. It was a stupid move and could have killed the other driver; thank God the car saved him.
Bish

+1.
I would ban the black car driver from the series.

[inTgr8r]

Originally Posted by thebishman

Watch it again guys. The Grey/Black car did not just move over to what he thought was the line, he deliberately and suddenly 'hip checked' the Red car to stop him passing/put him off course. It was a stupid move and could have killed the other driver; thank God the car saved him.
Bish

I thought the same at first, but watch just before impact where they show an interior shot of the black/grey car.
Watch his hands on the wheel.
His input turning into the kink is very smooth, the only jerky action is in recovery after impact.

If he was deliberately turning into the red car his hands would have shown this.

[BeEmVe]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

I thought the same at first, but watch just before impact where they show an interior shot of the black/grey car.
Watch his hands on the wheel. His input turning into the kink is very smooth, the only jerky action is in recovery after impact.

If he was deliberately turning into the red car his hands would have shown this.

When I viewed the video I went back over that part several times to see if I could spot anything as no other part of the video really gives much of a clue. I see the same as you smooth motion until the impact.

If one looks in the rearview mirror one can see the red car approaching then disappearing at 3:02 yet his hands are smooth until 3:03 (impact).

[Alfisti]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

Red car was to blame, the grey car was driving the line through the kink.

It baffles the crap outta me that those who follow motorsport can ever say this. If this were true, there would be no racing ever as there would only be one line allowed.

The red car clearly had claimed position and the black car should have taken the inside line through the kink. I suspect he did not see the red car but it is still the black car's fault.

[WhatsADSM]

Yea its really hard to say. My initial inclination was to say the dark car was at fault. However I know that track well and that is a pretty good "normal" line through there and the video clearly shows that he was smooth and it doesn't seem deliberately moved over to stop a pass. Additionally T5 is coming up there which is an extremely tight left hander where those cars will probably come down to maybe 60mph. So attempting to make a pass going at 150 just before the elevation change into T5 is pretty crazy. No way he would have been able to get back track right to take T5 correctly and leave with much exit speed anyways. Now that I think about it I would actually say I think it's more the red cars fault.