[shuaige]

Has anyone bought something from them? Just want to make sure they're legit.

Any other options to buy a new jb4 in CA?

[Manberg]

I have one coming from http://eee.n54tuning.com/ right now. About a week to ship from Canada.

[08TUNDRA]

Why nor just buy one secondhand off the forums? Save lots of money, help the fourums, can get it in Cali. Its a win-win. A brand new one makes you no faster

[The Spoon]

Got mine from n54tuning.com about a year ago

[maddmatth]

Just ship it to someone you know outside the state, and have them forward it to you, or use a freight forwarder?

[Eschleae]

Ordered my JB4 back in July off Burgers website, best money I've spent on my car so far. Makes stock seems so slow.

[Eschleae]

Originally Posted by dmikhael619

Why nor just buy one secondhand off the forums? Save lots of money, help the fourums, can get it in Cali. Its a win-win. A brand new one makes you no faster

Agreed, check classified Ads. People are always selling

[mike@x-ph.com]

Just get it from a vendor outside of California
we are located in Las Vegas

[csu87]

jb4? never heard of them....

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by dmikhael619

Why nor just buy one secondhand off the forums? Save lots of money, help the fourums, can get it in Cali. Its a win-win. A brand new one makes you no faster

Because you lose manufacturer warranty and support if you buy a used JB4
You also risk getting a damaged board that might damage your ECU as well

Of course most used JB4 being sold are in perfect condition, but i still would not take that kind of risk to save $100

[Antetokounmpo]

Originally Posted by Eschleae

Ordered my JB4 back in July off Burgers website, best money I've spent on my car so far. Makes stock seems so slow.

the point is burger can't legally ship to California..

[shuaige]

Thanks for the replies.

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Because you lose manufacturer warranty and support if you buy a used JB4
You also risk getting a damaged board that might damage your ECU as well

Of course most used JB4 being sold are in perfect condition, but i still would not take that kind of risk to save $100

Pretty much, I don't want to take the risk of a damaged or abused unit for minimal savings.

[fazman]

Originally Posted by shuaige

Has anyone bought something from them? Just want to make sure they're legit.

Any other options to buy a new jb4 in CA?

Are you for real noobie?

[fazman]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Because you lose manufacturer warranty and support if you buy a used JB4
You also risk getting a damaged board that might damage your ECU as well

Of course most used JB4 being sold are in perfect condition, but i still would not take that kind of risk to save $100

Not trying kill new sales biz for you, but honestly, if you buy it from someone who has it working in his own car and then sells it to you (I'm pretty sure you should be okay). With that same logic of fried ECU's... nothing says that a brand new unit couldn't fry your ECU as well. Not like Terry would pay out for your new ECU, he would probably just say it was installer error (which I believe too).

The JB4 warranty is vague at best, I don't know of anyone who has ever attempted to make a claim on one. Terry and the n54 forum of his will support you on your questions even if you buy it new or used. All issues with the JB4 can almost always be traced back to user error

just saying.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by fazman

Not trying kill new sales biz for you, but honestly, if you buy it from someone who has it working in his own car and then sells it to you (I'm pretty sure you should be okay). With that same logic of fried ECU's... nothing says that a brand new unit couldn't fry your ECU as well. Not like Terry would pay out for your new ECU, he would probably just say it was installer error (which I believe too).

The JB4 warranty is vague at best, I don't know of anyone who has ever attempted to make a claim on one. Terry and the n54 forum of his will support you on your questions even if you buy it new or used. All issues with the JB4 can almost always be traced back to user error

just saying.

Like i said in my previous post, most used ones are in perfect condition.
But you always have a risk of getting damaged one that can fry your ECU( unless you are getting it from a trusted friend then thats a different story)

On my personal car, i would not do it to save $100

[fazman]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

Like i said in my previous post, most used ones are in perfect condition.
But you always have a risk of getting damaged one that can fry your ECU( unless you are getting it from a trusted friend then thats a different story)

On my personal car, i would not do it to save $100

Would you do an Alpina flash on your car?

Would you load a backend flash on your car? You're basically taking the same level of risk. On top of that... most people pay good money for those updates (not even a cost savings).

Usually the cost savings on the used market are about 50% which I see your point... not for $100 savings... but for greater than $100, might be worth a look see. plus now a days, the JB4 is more of stackable solution for tuning and people have multiple tunes going on at the same time.

I bought my jb4 new and the day I sell my car I see no point to part it out... just sell it with all the mods + stock parts as it is to the lucky kid who gets it.

[shuaige]

Originally Posted by fazman

Are you for real noobie?

I'm going to assume both you and csu87 just had a momentary lapse of consciousness and didn't realize that jb4/BMS and jb4store are two distinct companies.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

We offer all BMS products to Cali.

For the record JB4store.com is not under the same ownership as BurgerTuning.com

It is true the warranty does not transfer over with second hand purchases. If you make a claim for a defective unit that needs replacement they will not honor it.

[fazman]

Originally Posted by shuaige

I'm going to assume both you and csu87 just had a momentary lapse of consciousness and didn't realize that jb4/BMS and jb4store are two distinct companies.

No lapse in judgement at all, because obviously you mean the JB4 BMS store. You would be crazy to buy from some run of the mill seller when you have many other reputable sellers on this site. Thats such a rookie move shuaige if you want to buy from non sponsored vendor sites (buyer beware).

Let me toss you a bone, just order all your stuff from http://n54tuning.com/ and you will always be golden. If you go else where... I wish you the best of luck (maybe you should buy a powerball ticket if you'r feeling lucky)

[shuaige]

Originally Posted by fazman

No lapse in judgement at all, because obviously you mean the JB4 BMS store. You would be crazy to buy from some run of the mill seller when you have many other reputable sellers on this site. Thats such a rookie move shuaige if you want to buy from non sponsored vendor sites (buyer beware).

Let me toss you a bone, just order all your stuff from http://n54tuning.com/ and you will always be golden. If you go else where... I wish you the best of luck (maybe you should buy a powerball ticket if you'r feeling lucky)

http://jb4store.com/

Congrats.

[fazman]

Originally Posted by Jeff@TopGearSolutions

We offer all BMS products to Cali.

For the record JB4store.com is not under the same ownership as BurgerTuning.com

It is true the warranty does not transfer over with second hand purchases. If you make a claim for a defective unit that needs replacement they will not honor it.

Also mike@x-ph.com

Not sure if you have read this on the BMS site:
http://www.burgertuning.com/terms.html

"5. Seller warrants that JB Performance Tuner Products will be free from manufacturing defects for three hundred and sixty five (365) calendar days after Delivery. Purchaser's exclusive remedy for any breach of the forgoing warranty is, at Seller's sole discretion, either: (i) replacement of the non-conforming Product with a conforming Product or (ii) a refund of the amount paid by Purchaser for such non-conforming Product. Warranty applies only to the original purchaser and is non-transferable. No warranty is provided on intake kits or any other products."

So a fried ECU would only net you either a new BMS jb4 or your money back for the jb4.

[Jeff@TopGearSolutions]

Originally Posted by fazman

Also mike@x-ph.com

Not sure if you have read this on the BMS site:
http://www.burgertuning.com/terms.html

"5. Seller warrants that JB Performance Tuner Products will be free from manufacturing defects for three hundred and sixty five (365) calendar days after Delivery. Purchaser's exclusive remedy for any breach of the forgoing warranty is, at Seller's sole discretion, either: (i) replacement of the non-conforming Product with a conforming Product or (ii) a refund of the amount paid by Purchaser for such non-conforming Product. Warranty applies only to the original purchaser and is non-transferable. No warranty is provided on intake kits or any other products."

So a fried ECU would only net you either a new BMS jb4 or your money back for the jb4.

Mike is trying to say, you run the risk of frying your ECU when you use second hand products.

I don't recall anyone frying their ecu with a new unit that was installed properly. By no accident, a warranty would not cover the vehicle unless explicitly stated. The warranty covers the unit itself which is par for the course with almost any warranty in this industry.

Just like a clutch or turbo, the clutch or turbo has a manufacturers warranty, they don't cover the labor or anything else that may fail or become ruined for their product failing.

If ECU frying is still a concern, consider a COBB AP Flash.