335D with a after market LSD!??!

Bigamos · 08-07-2008, 05:38 AM

Does anyone out there have a 335D with a after market LSD..

If so what do ya think, as I'm thinking of one as my next upgrade..

Any thoughts would be great...

Cheers

dxb335d · 08-07-2008, 07:40 AM

Hi Mate,

In the 335d, I know CD has got one and I think there is one other, redmax?

Its a great mod, ive been out in a LSD equipped 335i and the difference is staggering. Traction out of bends is amazing. Just hooks up, no TC light and just fooks off.

Ant397 · 08-07-2008, 07:49 AM

Our 330d d3 has a Quaife LSD fitted and for road use, the traction is fantastic, but as its a mechanicaly geared Automatic Torque Biasing (ATB) differential and not a clutch type LSD, it can be a bit unpredictable when drifting as sometimes it turns into 1 wheel drive as it will never fully 'lock up' so to speak...

The other downside to the ATB LSD is that when at the limit on the track, if you hit a rumble strip with the inside wheel and it leaves the ground, instantly you loose all predictable grip at once as the geared ATB diff immediatley stops to function, whereas with a clutch diff, they would lock up and the same drive would be transmitted to both wheels, even with 1 wheel off the ground.

ATB LSD's are not perfect for road racing like Touring Car's for instance mainly for this reason.

ant.

alcook · 08-07-2008, 09:53 AM

Do the M-Sport variants have a LSD??

If so what type?

sheps · 08-07-2008, 10:13 AM

No M-Sports get an LSD these days, only M-power cars...

I think I'm right in saying that the e36 generation of M-sports were the last generation of of non M-power 3 series cars to get LSD's

big pimp · 08-07-2008, 10:15 AM

how would the LSD work with auto's like bigamos and myself have?

dxb335d · 08-07-2008, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ant397

Our 330d d3 has a Quaife LSD fitted and for road use, the traction is fantastic, but as its a mechanicaly geared Automatic Torque Biasing (ATB) differential and not a clutch type LSD, it can be a bit unpredictable when drifting as sometimes it turns into 1 wheel drive as it will never fully 'lock up' so to speak...

The other downside to the ATB LSD is that when at the limit on the track, if you hit a rumble strip with the inside wheel and it leaves the ground, instantly you loose all predictable grip at once as the geared ATB diff immediatley stops to function, whereas with a clutch diff, they would lock up and the same drive would be transmitted to both wheels, even with 1 wheel off the ground.

ATB LSD's are not perfect for road racing like Touring Car's for instance mainly for this reason.

ant.

Ant, the one birds sell is that ATB or clutch type?

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheps

No M-Sports get an LSD these days, only M-power cars...

I think I'm right in saying that the e36 generation of M-sports were the last generation of of non M-power 3 series cars to get LSD's

shepsy, not all of them got it, was an option not standard fit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by big pimp

how would the LSD work with auto's like bigamos and myself have?

Exactly the same as it would in a manual. It locks up and both wheels get traction. Works a treat.

Bigamos · 08-07-2008, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big pimp

how would the LSD work with auto's like bigamos and myself have?

Yea Thats what I was Thinking......! Any body have any thoughts on them....

Ya interested Big Pimp..... Might get a bit of discount for buying 2...

big pimp · 08-07-2008, 10:43 AM

i think it could be fun - i can donut mine all day long in the dry or wet - but drifting might be more fun.

the thing is though, where you can play with the clutch and revs when drifting a manual, with our auto-boxes always wanting to change down a gear when revs get too high how would you overcome that?

Mr Plum · 08-07-2008, 10:49 AM

The Birds diff is the Quaife ATB diff - only place you can buy one for BMWs now I believe as they have done a deal with Quaife.

I had a quaife diff (and gearbox) in one one of my former vehicles (fwd) and it was amazing. I have also driven caterhams with and without a Quaife diff and the difference is very noticeable.

As Ant397 points out it has its limitations but for road and occasional track use I'd say it was pretty spot on.

Its the first mod on the list for my car.....

Bigamos · 08-07-2008, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big pimp

i think it could be fun - i can donut mine all day long in the dry or wet - but drifting might be more fun.

the thing is though, where you can play with the clutch and revs when drifting a manual, with our auto-boxes always wanting to change down a gear when revs get too high how would you overcome that?

Use the Paddles........ Its great...

big pimp · 08-07-2008, 12:31 PM

i do mate, but when the revs get too high it automatically changes itself....

although i can donut in 2nd all day long!

Ant397 · 08-07-2008, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big pimp

i do mate, but when the revs get too high it automatically changes itself....

although i can donut in 2nd all day long!

mmmmmm Donut's

Bigamos · 08-07-2008, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big pimp

i do mate, but when the revs get too high it automatically changes itself....

although i can donut in 2nd all day long!

I've never tried yet, to scared of the diff letting go.....

Ask ARMO to get you a price from Birds for the LSD's...

I'll try my man and see what he can get them for...

CD · 08-07-2008, 01:14 PM

i have one

its an amazing difference over standard !! like carlos said mainly noticeable when exiting roundabouts and exiting tight bends, just apply the power and it powers on with very little 'yellow light action.' It is expensive though, but if you plan to keep the car like i do then you will get your moneys worth in grins

...to be quite honest its the best mod i have made to the car, get one fitted you wont regret it

any other questions just ask (be warned though im not that technical

)

coodem · 08-07-2008, 02:47 PM

So what does the LSD cost fitted? Just an approx price

CrimsonRedE93 · 08-07-2008, 02:55 PM

They are about £1600 fitted from Birds Auto

http://www.birdsauto.com/parts-datab...0Series%20(E90)

dxb335d · 08-07-2008, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big pimp

i do mate, but when the revs get too high it automatically changes itself....

although i can donut in 2nd all day long!

Learn to moderate the throttle. Its fine then.

Dave_3 · 08-07-2008, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Learn to moderate the throttle. Its fine then.

Rubs eyes. Reads it again carefully.

Did you actually write that Carl.

Viv ! Somebody has hacked into Carlos' account !

D.

dxb335d · 08-07-2008, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_3

Rubs eyes. Reads it again carefully.

Did you actually write that Carl.

Viv ! Somebody has hacked into Carlos' account !

D.

I can actually drive quite well Dave ill have you believe pmsl.

Yes i wrote that LOL.

Porscha! · 08-07-2008, 04:30 PM

The E36 328i Sport came with an LSD as standard (I know because I looked at one) I believe but past a certain year it got traction control instead.

bmwmike · 08-08-2008, 01:29 AM

I highly recommend the Quaife and Birds. As another person kinda said, it's a great improvement for the daily driver. I've had it in my car since March 2007 and it really shines in less than ideal situations like snow and wet roads. In snow on a steep mountain climb the car tracks straight as an arrow.

You have to make sure you have the right oil in it first. For the Quaife, the factory oil for our non-LSD 335's is what i use and it works perfectly.

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Ant397 45 Rep 408 Posts Drives: X5 4.8is, Lambo Gallardo Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Manchester, UK. iTrader: (0)	Our 330d d3 has a Quaife LSD fitted and for road use, the traction is fantastic, but as its a mechanicaly geared Automatic Torque Biasing (ATB) differential and not a clutch type LSD, it can be a bit unpredictable when drifting as sometimes it turns into 1 wheel drive as it will never fully 'lock up' so to speak... The other downside to the ATB LSD is that when at the limit on the track, if you hit a rumble strip with the inside wheel and it leaves the ground, instantly you loose all predictable grip at once as the geared ATB diff immediatley stops to function, whereas with a clutch diff, they would lock up and the same drive would be transmitted to both wheels, even with 1 wheel off the ground. ATB LSD's are not perfect for road racing like Touring Car's for instance mainly for this reason. ant.
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big pimp First Lieutenant 44 Rep 336 Posts Drives: G05 M50d & Dakar Yellow E46 M3 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: N.Ireland, UK iTrader: (0)	i think it could be fun - i can donut mine all day long in the dry or wet - but drifting might be more fun. the thing is though, where you can play with the clutch and revs when drifting a manual, with our auto-boxes always wanting to change down a gear when revs get too high how would you overcome that?
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big pimp First Lieutenant 44 Rep 336 Posts Drives: G05 M50d & Dakar Yellow E46 M3 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: N.Ireland, UK iTrader: (0)	i do mate, but when the revs get too high it automatically changes itself.... although i can donut in 2nd all day long!
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CD gone ... but i will be back ! 62 Rep 1,183 Posts Drives: 335D Coupe Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: England (north) iTrader: (0)	i have one its an amazing difference over standard !! like carlos said mainly noticeable when exiting roundabouts and exiting tight bends, just apply the power and it powers on with very little 'yellow light action.' It is expensive though, but if you plan to keep the car like i do then you will get your moneys worth in grins ...to be quite honest its the best mod i have made to the car, get one fitted you wont regret it any other questions just ask (be warned though im not that technical ) __________________ E92 335D / QUAIFE LSD / EIBACH / DIMISA / REMAP / 19" HAMANN EDITION RACE REPS ... USUALLY WITH A HEALTHY SPLATTERING OF GOOD OLD YORKSHIRE MUD ...
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