Group B.The perfect filler in between F1 races

M5Rick · 10-29-2021, 11:37 AM

M5Rick · 11-01-2021, 05:42 AM

Audi S1's and the LWB used in hillclimbs also the famous Pikes Peak challenge and I think the most awesome rally car of all time.

M5Rick · 11-03-2021, 09:26 AM

The best of Group B with unseen footage

grannyknot · 11-03-2021, 04:05 PM

Man, it's been decades since I saw that footage, hate to admit it but I had forgotten all about Henri Toivonen. A devastating event that finally brought in some safety measures.
It was a wild time.

M5Rick · 11-04-2021, 03:20 AM

The S1 E2 dominated until Peugeot came out with the cheating mid-engined goldfish bowl 205

M5Rick · 11-05-2021, 05:50 AM

Still time before F1 P1 so I'll add Walter Rohrl's adventures with the S1 and how to drive and steer the E2 which needed plenty of left foot movement.

M5Rick · 11-05-2021, 12:11 PM

non non non Michelle! Audi star rolls S1 at the ROC

M5Rick · 11-08-2021, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grannyknot

Man, it's been decades since I saw that footage, hate to admit it but I had forgotten all about Henri Toivonen. A devastating event that finally brought in some safety measures.
It was a wild time.

More on Toivonen's off which led Balestre to sideline Group B.

Robin_NL · 11-09-2021, 07:23 AM

I'm a big big rally/Gr B/ Ari Vatanen/Lancia fan and remember exactly when I heard/saw the news of 'greatest rallytalent ever' Toivonen's crash @ Corsica. I was almost 16 and watching television; the 8 'o clock news with my dad; I was flabbergasted and very very sad I remember......

I have some scale models of rallycars in 1:43 and 1:18

I also enjoy the pre GrB era with the Escorts/Fiats/Asconas/Vauxhall Chevettes /Talbot Sunbeam/911SC and off course the Stratos

Thanks for this thread Rick! ;-)

Cheers
Robin

Robin_NL · 11-09-2021, 07:31 AM

Also a 'GrB' car , the Manta 400, not so fast due to an NA carburetted and not fuel injected (more power about 280BHP) engine(vs the upcoming turbo engines) and rwd(love it, lol)

Ari never really liked the Manta he once stated....

Cheers
Robin

Robin_NL · 11-09-2021, 09:58 AM

https://www.facebook.com/10005928411...556394313/?d=n

https://fb.watch/9alwjhl9Fw/

Cheers
Robin

M5Rick · 11-09-2021, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

I'm a big big rally/Gr B/ Ari Vatanen/Lancia fan and remember exactly when I heard/saw the news of 'greatest rallytalent ever' Toivonen's crash @ Corsica. I was almost 16 and watching television; the 8 'o clock news with my dad; I was flabbergasted and very very sad I remember......

I have some scale models of rallycars in 1:43 and 1:18

I also enjoy the pre GrB era with the Escorts/Fiats/Asconas/Vauxhall Chevettes /Talbot Sunbeam/911SC and off course the Stratos

Thanks for this thread Nick!

Cheers
Robin

It's Rick

..and what about the TR7 V8 with Tony Pond

Robin_NL · 11-10-2021, 01:11 AM

Yeah Pond was a very fast and nice guy.

Here he is in the 6R4.

Salonen the not so stereotypical World Champion in the 205. Etcetera.

I'm such a big Lancia Delta S4 fan. I'ts always been in my top 3 of greatest cars ever: McLaren F1(GTR/LM), RUF CTR(the original one) and Delta S4.

Only a few years ago you could buy an S4 Stradale for let's say 150k €, now they're in between 500k €-750k €. The streetversions.....

I have to look it up, but this one went for >half a million € about two years ago(only 2000kms...)

The rally/competition versions driven by Marku Alén etc are now closer to the 1 million € mark......

Now I need some coffee

Cheers
Robin

Robin_NL · 11-10-2021, 01:19 AM

Senna also tested some rallycars back then...

The Escort in the back is the not so famous RWD( normal Escort Mk3s are FWD) RS1700T of which only a few were built. It couldn't stand a chance against the upcoming AWD Quattros/205T16/S4s so Ford skipped that project and went on with the RS200

I have a scale model of that car in 1:43

Here we see some footage of Senna with the cars, I also have that particular Senna 6R4 scalemodel in 1:18 including his yellow bespoke helmet lol

https://drivetribe.com/p/video-remem...Q4q7M7IlF0mGPA

Cheers
Robin

Robin_NL · 11-10-2021, 01:27 AM

Also a marvellous video(imho!) of the comeback after his big crash of 'my hero' (sort of, I don't have many) Ari Vatanen.

Cheers
Robin

youngtimer55 · 11-10-2021, 02:22 AM

Great video by Henry Catchpole about Audi Quattro E2 Chassis #2. This was the car in the Semperit Rally with the PDK fitted. Links to vids below, enjoy!

M5Rick · 11-10-2021, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Also a marvellous video(imho!) of the comeback after his big crash of 'my hero' (sort of, I don't have many) Ari Vatanen.

Cheers
Robin

'Does that mean you're not going flat out from the start'?

''As surprising as it may sound I try to be sensible''

Ari V answering a journo's question before the start.

M5Rick · 11-10-2021, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Senna also tested some rallycars back then...

The Escort in the back is the not so famous RWD( normal Escort Mk3s are FWD) RS1700T of which only a few were built. It couldn't stand a chance against the upcoming AWD Quattros/205T16/S4s so Ford skipped that project and went on with the RS200

I have a scale model of that car in 1:43

Here we see some footage of Senna with the cars, I also have that particular Senna 6R4 scalemodel in 1:18 including his yellow bespoke helmet lol

https://drivetribe.com/p/video-remem...Q4q7M7IlF0mGPA

Cheers
Robin

The Senna footage is rare, for me it's the first time I have seen it.

M5Rick · 11-10-2021, 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Yeah Pond was a very fast and nice guy.

Here he is in the 6R4.

Salonen the not so stereotypical World Champion in the 205. Etcetera.

I'm such a big Lancia Delta S4 fan. I'ts always been in my top 3 of greatest cars ever: McLaren F1(GTR/LM), RUF CTR(the original one) and Delta S4.

Only a few years ago you could buy an S4 Stradale for let's say 150k €, now they're in between 500k €-750k €. The streetversions.....

I have to look it up, but this one went for >half a million € about two years ago(only 2000kms...)

The rally/competition versions driven by Marku Alén etc are now closer to the 1 million € mark......

Now I need some coffee

Cheers
Robin

The moonface wheels on the S4 are not dissimilar to the one's on my 928.

Robin_NL · 11-10-2021, 04:50 AM

@Rick so you also have a 928. Nice! Car of the year 1978 or something(?) as I remember.

Deep Purple 2.0 original video 'Perfect Strangers' has a 928(S4?) in it.

Ken now is Audi Ambassador:

They bought the red LCE (?) S1 Replica (700+BHP) and painted it white.

Cheers
Robin

M5Rick · 11-10-2021, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

@Rick so you also have a 928. Nice! Car of the year 1978 or something(?) as I remember.

Deep Purple 2.0 original video 'Perfect Strangers' has a 928(S4?) in it.

Ken now is Audi Ambassador:

They bought the red LCE (?) S1 Replica (700+BHP) and painted it white.

Cheers
Robin

That's right the European Car of the Year I believe which was unusual for the panel to pick a sports car and I posted on here that vid track from DP on the music thread, from what I can see it's the 4.5 the first model of it.

M5Rick · 11-10-2021, 03:50 PM

More S1 action with that unmistakable growl and stammering turbo whistle with that PDK DCT

10-29-2021, 11:37 AM	#1
M5Rick General 69496 Rep 22,252 Posts Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: GB iTrader: (0)	Group B.The perfect filler in between F1 races
	Appreciate 4 ///M Power-Belgium71101.50 grannyknot1010.00 prompt295.00 Robin_NL8967.50 Tweet Quote

11-03-2021, 09:26 AM	#3
M5Rick General 69496 Rep 22,252 Posts Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: GB iTrader: (0)	The best of Group B with unseen footage
	Appreciate 2 Robin_NL8967.50 ///M Power-Belgium71101.50 Quote

11-03-2021, 04:05 PM	#4
grannyknot Captain 1010 Rep 806 Posts Drives: 2008 Z4M coupe Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: toronto iTrader: (0)	Man, it's been decades since I saw that footage, hate to admit it but I had forgotten all about Henri Toivonen. A devastating event that finally brought in some safety measures. It was a wild time. __________________ 2008 E86 M coupe
	Appreciate 2 M5Rick69496.00 Robin_NL8967.50 Quote

11-04-2021, 03:20 AM	#5
M5Rick General 69496 Rep 22,252 Posts Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: GB iTrader: (0)	The S1 E2 dominated until Peugeot came out with the cheating mid-engined goldfish bowl 205
	Appreciate 2 Robin_NL8967.50 ///M Power-Belgium71101.50 Quote

11-05-2021, 05:50 AM	#6
M5Rick General 69496 Rep 22,252 Posts Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: GB iTrader: (0)	Still time before F1 P1 so I'll add Walter Rohrl's adventures with the S1 and how to drive and steer the E2 which needed plenty of left foot movement. Last edited by M5Rick; 11-05-2021 at 06:12 AM..
	Appreciate 2 Robin_NL8967.50 ///M Power-Belgium71101.50 Quote

11-01-2021, 05:42 AM	#2
M5Rick General 69496 Rep 22,252 Posts Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: GB iTrader: (0)	Audi S1's and the LWB used in hillclimbs also the famous Pikes Peak challenge and I think the most awesome rally car of all time.
	Appreciate 2 ///M Power-Belgium71101.50 Robin_NL8967.50 Quote

11-05-2021, 12:11 PM	#7
M5Rick General 69496 Rep 22,252 Posts Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: GB iTrader: (0)	non non non Michelle! Audi star rolls S1 at the ROC
	Appreciate 2 Robin_NL8967.50 ///M Power-Belgium71101.50 Quote

11-09-2021, 07:23 AM	#9
Robin_NL S0THPAW 8968 Rep 7,863 Posts Drives: HS M2 Competition Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	I'm a big big rally/Gr B/ Ari Vatanen/Lancia fan and remember exactly when I heard/saw the news of 'greatest rallytalent ever' Toivonen's crash @ Corsica. I was almost 16 and watching television; the 8 'o clock news with my dad; I was flabbergasted and very very sad I remember...... I have some scale models of rallycars in 1:43 and 1:18 I also enjoy the pre GrB era with the Escorts/Fiats/Asconas/Vauxhall Chevettes /Talbot Sunbeam/911SC and off course the Stratos Thanks for this thread Rick! ;-) Cheers Robin Last edited by Robin_NL; 11-10-2021 at 12:58 AM..
	Appreciate 2 M5Rick69496.00 ///M Power-Belgium71101.50 Quote

11-09-2021, 07:31 AM	#10
Robin_NL S0THPAW 8968 Rep 7,863 Posts Drives: HS M2 Competition Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	Also a 'GrB' car , the Manta 400, not so fast due to an NA carburetted and not fuel injected (more power about 280BHP) engine(vs the upcoming turbo engines) and rwd(love it, lol) Ari never really liked the Manta he once stated.... Cheers Robin
	Appreciate 2 M5Rick69496.00 ///M Power-Belgium71101.50 Quote

11-09-2021, 09:58 AM	#11
Robin_NL S0THPAW 8968 Rep 7,863 Posts Drives: HS M2 Competition Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	https://www.facebook.com/10005928411...556394313/?d=n https://fb.watch/9alwjhl9Fw/ Cheers Robin __________________ 'I won't say anything 'cause no one listens to me anyway....I might as well be a Leonard Cohen record' -Neill
	Appreciate 1 M5Rick69496.00 Quote

11-10-2021, 01:11 AM	#13
Robin_NL S0THPAW 8968 Rep 7,863 Posts Drives: HS M2 Competition Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	Yeah Pond was a very fast and nice guy. Here he is in the 6R4. Salonen the not so stereotypical World Champion in the 205. Etcetera. I'm such a big Lancia Delta S4 fan. I'ts always been in my top 3 of greatest cars ever: McLaren F1(GTR/LM), RUF CTR(the original one) and Delta S4. Only a few years ago you could buy an S4 Stradale for let's say 150k €, now they're in between 500k €-750k €. The streetversions..... I have to look it up, but this one went for >half a million € about two years ago(only 2000kms...) The rally/competition versions driven by Marku Alén etc are now closer to the 1 million € mark...... Now I need some coffee Cheers Robin
	Appreciate 1 M5Rick69496.00 Quote

11-10-2021, 01:19 AM	#14
Robin_NL S0THPAW 8968 Rep 7,863 Posts Drives: HS M2 Competition Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	Senna also tested some rallycars back then... The Escort in the back is the not so famous RWD( normal Escort Mk3s are FWD) RS1700T of which only a few were built. It couldn't stand a chance against the upcoming AWD Quattros/205T16/S4s so Ford skipped that project and went on with the RS200 I have a scale model of that car in 1:43 Here we see some footage of Senna with the cars, I also have that particular Senna 6R4 scalemodel in 1:18 including his yellow bespoke helmet lol https://drivetribe.com/p/video-remem...Q4q7M7IlF0mGPA Cheers Robin
	Appreciate 1 M5Rick69496.00 Quote

11-10-2021, 01:27 AM	#15
Robin_NL S0THPAW 8968 Rep 7,863 Posts Drives: HS M2 Competition Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	Also a marvellous video(imho!) of the comeback after his big crash of 'my hero' (sort of, I don't have many) Ari Vatanen. Cheers Robin
	Appreciate 1 M5Rick69496.00 Quote

11-10-2021, 02:22 AM	#16
youngtimer55 "Cool Prius" - Nobody 28 Rep 32 Posts Drives: E92 M3 ZCP, E39 M5, Prius Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (0)	Great video by Henry Catchpole about Audi Quattro E2 Chassis #2. This was the car in the Semperit Rally with the PDK fitted. Links to vids below, enjoy! __________________ 2011.5 E92 ZCP - MCS 1WNR and other goodies E39 M5 - Dinan S1
	Appreciate 2 M5Rick69496.00 Robin_NL8967.50 Quote

11-10-2021, 04:50 AM	#20
Robin_NL S0THPAW 8968 Rep 7,863 Posts Drives: HS M2 Competition Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	@Rick so you also have a 928. Nice! Car of the year 1978 or something(?) as I remember. Deep Purple 2.0 original video 'Perfect Strangers' has a 928(S4?) in it. Ken now is Audi Ambassador: They bought the red LCE (?) S1 Replica (700+BHP) and painted it white. Cheers Robin
	Appreciate 1 M5Rick69496.00 Quote

11-10-2021, 03:50 PM	#22
M5Rick General 69496 Rep 22,252 Posts Drives: M5 F10 DCT Gunmetal Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: GB iTrader: (0)	More S1 action with that unmistakable growl and stammering turbo whistle with that PDK DCT
	Appreciate 2 ///M Power-Belgium71101.50 Robin_NL8967.50 Quote