[stein_325i]

[EXE46]

RWD FTW, agree on all their points.The G42 is too darn heavy for its size. I would never opt for the Xi, curious to see the specs for the RWD model next year.

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by EXE46

RWD FTW, agree on all their points.The G42 is too darn heavy for its size. I would never opt for the Xi, curious to see the specs for the RWD model next year.

One is a true M. I had this car. One is not. Not hard to sort. Silly comparison. Useless frankly.

[Lightngsvt]

Finally one of the "big" auto YouTube channels released a review on the M240! But of course, they had to compare it to the M2, while the M240 blows it away in a straight line (Cold wet track though) and has a better interior it sounds like the M2 is better in every other way. I wonder how the review would've gone if it wasn't a comparison? Or, How the upcoming RWD M240 will compare to the previous M2?

I think we all agree about the lack of 6MT, the rear styling (though it has grown on me in pics) and the weight being downsides. These cars should be 3-400lbs lighter, and maybe the RWD version will be closer? Not so sure since the M340i vs M340i xDrive are only about 105lbs difference. I can't believe that the M240 is only 6" shorter than the M340 but only ~5lbs lighter? Overall, I liked the review but came away feeling a bit less excited to get my car now. Not a big deal but how is the backseat smaller on the new, larger 2 series? I wonder if I should've purchased another M340?

For those of you who already have your cars do you are with their review of the M240? Is the ride "busy" / a little stiff, etc?

[Denver Coutu]

Originally Posted by DSTR

One is a true M. I had this car. One is not. Not hard to sort. Silly comparison. Useless frankly.

idk, I still find it hard to call the OG M2 a "true M' anyway

[Denver Coutu]

Originally Posted by Lightngsvt

Finally one of the "big" auto YouTube channels released a review on the M240! But of course, they had to compare it to the M2, while the M240 blows it away in a straight line (Cold wet track though) and has a better interior it sounds like the M2 is better in every other way. I wonder how the review would've gone if it wasn't a comparison? Or, How the upcoming RWD M240 will compare to the previous M2?

I think we all agree about the lack of 6MT, the rear styling (though it has grown on me in pics) and the weight being downsides. This cars should be 3-400lbs lighter, and maybe the RWD version will be closer? Overall, I liked the review but came away feeling a bit less excited to get my car now. Not a big deal but how are the backseat smaller on the new, larger 2 series? I wonder if I should've get another M340?

For those of you who already have your cars do you are with their review of the M240? Is the ride "busy" / a little stiff, etc?

I thought the back seat comparison was odd since i have sat in both and i found the back seat headroom the same

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by DSTR

One is a true M. I had this car. One is not. Not hard to sort. Silly comparison. Useless frankly.

It's about context, both car's were judged on their merits and the G42 is simply too heavy for a car that size. They also mentioned jittery suspension and lack of head room in the rear. Believe it or not some people do contemplate the two in their shopping decisions. Especially those who won't take their real M cars to the track.

G42 while competent should have been better executed. Weight is the fundamental killer of driving engagement and when I think of a small car I expect it to weigh in significantly less than the G20. G20 is a huge car by all measures, G42 is not.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by EXE46

It's about context, both car's were judged on their merits and the G42 is simply too heavy for a car that size. They also mentioned jittery suspension and lack of head room in the rear. Believe it or not some people do contemplate the two in their shopping decisions. Especially those who won't take their real M cars to the track.

G42 while competent should have been better executed. Weight is the fundamental killer of driving engagement and when I think of a small car I expect it to weigh in significantly less than the G20. G20 is a huge car by all measures, G42 is not.

Are you still looking into the M240i RWD, or just gonna wait for the full on M2?

[Ricochet48]

Great review by the lads. I feel they were honest and of course know their stuff.

As expected the M240i performs very well even with the extra weight (especially off the line with xDrive); however, the M2 is more engaging (6MT), fun (RWD), and track-ready (lighter, stiffer suspension). Of course the new interior is much nicer, but I was surprised on the rear seat room (as I thought they were essentially identical).

If you want upgraded tech & a year round ride, the M240i works for 95% of people. If you are a hardcore enthusiast that doesn't live where there's snow and/or own a winter beater, the OG M2 might be the better move.

I wish they made a M2lite that's basically an OG M2 with a B58TU engine, updated tech, and interior color choices (unique options). To me that would be the best balance vs. the heavier S series engines with terrible fuel economy, etc. Here's my estimated rating system:

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Ricochet48

I wish they made a M2lite that's basically an OG M2 with a B58TU engine, updated tech, and interior color choices (unique options). To me that would be the best balance vs. the heavier S series engines with terrible fuel economy, etc. Here's my estimated rating system:

I kind of wish they would spin the M2 into its own thing. Make it a bit more special. Don't get me wrong, the M2 is a fantastic car, the wife and I loved ours before it was totaled, but I think they could differentiate it more from the M3/4. To me, the M2 is more so a better and smaller version of the M3/4. I think giving it a different or special engine and changing some of the characteristics of the car would really benefit it. Like an M2 with a higher revving naturally aspirated I6 would be awesome in its compact packaging. Kind of going back to the Bangle days where each car had their own character. The 1M had a Twin-Turbo I6 in a small body, the M3 an awesome NA V8, and the M5 a screaming glorious V10. The M2 is a bit too much M3/4, in both the good and bad.

[sixpastnine]

Styling subjective of course but I cannot get over the G42, especially right next to a F87 - just bonkers design language between the triangle air ducts up front to the bizarre blend of smooth and hard edges at the rear. Such a more cohesive philosophy for the F87 IMO - even prefer the G22 / G80 / G82 design language to this. In the end, was willing to accept the weight penalty of the G20 to get this performance profile. All the same, really appreciated this review of (really, two gens separated) M2 vs M Performance.

[cb123]

What is your experience or opinion with the " jittery suspension " Mentioned in the review?

[Mr Carrots]

Originally Posted by sixpastnine

Styling subjective of course but I cannot get over the G42, especially right next to a F87 - just bonkers design language between the triangle air ducts up front to the bizarre blend of smooth and hard edges at the rear. Such a more cohesive philosophy for the F87 IMO - even prefer the G22 / G80 / G82 design language to this. In the end, was willing to accept the weight penalty of the G20 to get this performance profile. All the same, really appreciated this review of (really, two gens separated) M2 vs M Performance.

yeah, it's a total mess, my old m240i was a good looking car with replica 437m wheels and some trim pieces but this is just awful imo.

If I were to ever get a 2er again it would be a M2C, there's just no comparison and the M2C is a great looking car

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I kind of wish they would spin the M2 into its own thing. Make it a bit more special. Don't get me wrong, the M2 is a fantastic car, the wife and I loved ours before it was totaled, but I think they could differentiate it more from the M3/4. To me, the M2 is more so a better and smaller version of the M3/4. I think giving it a different or special engine and changing some of the characteristics of the car would really benefit it. Like an M2 with a higher revving naturally aspirated I6 would be awesome in its compact packaging. Kind of going back to the Bangle days where each car had their own character. The 1M had a Twin-Turbo I6 in a small body, the M3 an awesome NA V8, and the M5 a screaming glorious V10. The M2 is a bit too much M3/4, in both the good and bad.

Although the idea is appealing, they no longer free the funds for such differentiation. With EV pushing hard, we'll probably see a rapid decrease in ICE choices.

Besides that, I believe that the width of the abilities of the S58 is beyond believe! As from the dig uptil red line it's strong, gutsy and is immediately 'scalable' to make it a perfect fit in every occasion. The S63 has this same universal capability. Both engines made me wonder, what's left to desire? Until today, I wouldn't really know.

[yanks1]

M2 should be better, the M240 is not a true M Car

that said, the M240xi is damn quick off the line... X drive really helps. And regarding weight vs the future RWD M240 I think may only be 150 lbs. Not a big deal when 99% of us will never race a M240. I like the stability and broad shoulders, looks aggressive & great tire & wheel choices

Like these guys, they are entertaining and have fun!!

[Em240eye]

I’m not sure (although I have my suspicions) why everybody is so defensive of the M2, I don’t want an M2, I have no use for it, I have never driven one of my own cars on a track, or got close to the cornering capabilities of any car on a road.
I want an “M lite” that can give me great performance on public roads in a country where roads are wet for a good proportion of the year. The fact the the M240i can out drag an M2 from a standing and rolling start is an added bonus though.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by yanks1

M2 should be better, the M240 is not a true M Car

With the XM presented as the new epitom of M heritage next year, I guess such statements will soon be pointless. What makes a real M?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by KoenG

Although the idea is appealing, they no longer free the funds for such differentiation. With EV pushing hard, we'll probably see a rapid decrease in ICE choices.

Besides that, I believe that the width of the abilities of the S58 is beyond believe! As from the dig uptil red line it's strong, gutsy and is immediately 'scalable' to make it a perfect fit in every occasion. The S63 has this same universal capability. Both engines made me wonder, what's left to desire? Until today, I wouldn't really know.

They're not bad engines, although to me the S63 isn't my favorite V8 available, I just think it would be cooler and different for them to make the M cars more different in personality than each other. The M2 could be so much more than "just" another smaller M3 if you know what I mean. Also with the amount of SUV's they sell, they 100% have the funds to do a lot of different projects.

[yanks1]

Originally Posted by KoenG

With the XM presented as the new epitom of M heritage next year, I guess such statements will soon be pointless. What makes a real M?

Real BMW M is like the M2 shown in this video compare. Also M3, M4, M5. These all have higher output engines than their lower level brother the M240, the M340, the M440, the M540 and stiffer suspensions, larger brakes and wheels... I think you get the idea

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by yanks1

Real BMW M is like the M2 shown in this video compare. Also M3, M4, M5. These all have higher output engines than their lower level brother the M240, the M340, the M440, the M540 and stiffer suspensions, larger brakes and wheels... I think you get the idea

They tend to present fewer compromises compared to non M machinery.
A concise explanation was given by you. Many have no idea I feel lol.

They are viewing this through a lens of useability in reference to daily life. Useful for daily yes, practical at times not so much.

My M2 2017 was superb. I miss the car. If leaving my M235i and entering the M2 - the world changed and distinctly. Sound, feel, reaction etc.

Some people need to stick with a Lexus or Mercedes lol. Ive had other more exotic machinery. The M2 was just a purposeful and aggressive friend which made me smile.

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Are you still looking into the M240i RWD, or just gonna wait for the full on M2?

I will wait to see the RWD weight, G87 won't debut in time to replace my G20 so G42 would have to tide me over until I hop into the G87. I will only consider RWD for either.

If for some reason I don't like the G87. I will just get a manual GT86/FRS for weekend duty, the new Generation have improved tremendously or so I have heard.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by EXE46

I will wait to see the RWD weight, G87 won't debut in time to replace my G20 so G42 would have to tide me over until I hop into the G87. I will only consider RWD for either.

If for some reason I don't like the G87. I will just get a manual GT86/FRS for weekend duty, the new Generation have improved tremendously or so I have heard.

The new Toyobaru twins definitely seem like a vast improvement. They pretty much listened to the feedback (mainly the torque dip) and kept the affordability. Could be a really fun weekend car, especially with the affordable light weight sports car market shrinking and pretty much being left to the Twins and the Miata.