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m3 vs. cadillac CT4-V
Interesting to me. Car & Driver says Caddie is way better; Motor Trend says BMW is way better. hummh...................
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Ringing endorsement for the M3, well-deserved. I've seen praise for the G8X but not to this degree, specifically the steering.
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I'm approaching 1,000 miles on my G80, and I'm thinking it's the best steering BMW since the E46. Light but precise, and it tracks down the road straight as an arrow. Very confident and comfortable cruiser. I think it's better than my E90 M3, as well as the two F22 2 Series we've owned. I think in terms of driving dynamics BMW has found its way again.
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The Blackwing has a better chassis, but my experience with GMs makes me have cold, cold feet. Then again, you can get one for $59K with a manual...softens the blow when the leather seats peel and the door cards fall off.
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"It's quite rough to look at"
Why does every magazine & lame YouTuber say the same exact thing? Oh, I know the answer. Group Think. Everyone here is a VISIONARY. I guarantee you the average IQ for a G8X owner is over 120 |
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I am liking the M3 more and more as the weeks pile on. If the rest of this generation keeps the S58 i'll probably lease or finance another one once this lease is over. It's a great car. |
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I find it odd they would feel like the ct4-v was a better driving car than the base g8x, but the AWD g8x to be a better driving car than both. As I understand it the driving dynamics are pretty close between all versions of the g8x with the big difference being power from base to comp model. The AWD is so rear biased most reviews seem to indicate it drives for the most part like the rwd comp.
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01-13-2022, 11:12 AM | #17 | |
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The difference is night and day in how they operate and the results. BMW active dampers can really only alternate from really hard to soft, per wheel, with no nuance in-between but with MagneRide suspension, the softest to stiffest settings, there's an infinite amount of variability, per wheel. MagneRide allows the tires to maintain contact with the road over a wider range of conditions than conventional active dampers would. Hence, in a nutshell, they perform better than the BMW offering and is what Ferrari, Lamborghini, Range Rover, ect, currently uses on their vehicles. . |
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Maybe they are mincing their words and implying the AWD G8X comp has better traction than the RWD CT4 and is conflating that with overall handling. |
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01-13-2022, 12:59 PM | #21 | |
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I don't agree though, as the Panamera, Macans, etc. all have very good steering feel that is much better than any competitor. A base Panamera 4 IMO has much better steering feel than my 2019 M5 Comp did, and a GTS another few notches above. Even my Macan GTS had better steering feel than my M5 or my G80 does. I hate to say it while the G80 is good, it's still not Porsche level by any stretch. |
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01-13-2022, 01:03 PM | #22 |
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I wouldn't worry too much about reconciling the demerits they reference about the Base versus the superlatives they are now heaping upon the X-Drive. Different days, different cars, different drivers, different roads. It's like how some reviewers have said that the 6MT is more engaging and fun, yet others have said the 8AT is better suited for this engine. Everyone's going to have their own opinion.
(Personally, I'm glad that Cadillac is making the Blackwings -- even if they're even harder to find than the G8X's -- since this is a rapidly dying market niche. I'm not looking forward to pissing contests about whose electric motor is quieter or whose batteries have better thermal management. I'm getting bored and sad just thinking about it.)
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