[MackSea70]

First, a quick bit about how I got here. I've owned 4x BMW - 2013 M550, 2015 550, 2018 F80 comp, 2020 992S, 2022 F90 comp -> now without a car. (bunch of other stuff in the past as well).

So my initial reaction when the G80 came out - was to bail out on BMW, go over to Porsche for a while (992S). For whatever reason that car didn't do it for me (too civilized). My favorite of my own fleet was my F80. I loved the 2022 F90 as well, though I only kept it 4 months (lease assumption). The F90 is amazing. But it definitely feels luxury first, fast M second. The F80 felt full on M (and missing a lot of the luxuries of the 5 series in general, though I think that's changed in the G generation). Now, the G80 is growing on me.

So here's where I'm at. I've got the gears in motion to get into an i4M50. (wife has a tesla, so we'd be a 2 EV family). I'm now hearing the i4 could be as much as 1.5 - 2 years out. I hear the wait list for the G80 *could* be shorter.

For those who've made the journey from F80 -> G80 - does the G80 have the same visceral feel? TBH, I know everyone raves about the ZF8 - I hated it in my F90. If you're not going to do 3 pedals (I had 7MT in my 992) then the DCT makes the car at least feel a little more special (much the same as Porsche does w the PDK). It really irks me that BMW chose not to up-engineer the DCT to handle more power. When my DCT in the F80 would 1-2 I could fully break the rears loose and then bark it going 2-3. I understand x-drive and all on the G80 - but on my F90 ZF8 it was fast shifting but never had that whack in the back that the DCT gave the F80. What say ye G80 owners? Will this be a pet peeve for me?

Next, for those who ordered their G80 w MPE (not interested in discussions on the arrangement of the tailpipes). Does it give the car snarl? (US based please). My F90 had the titanium MPE with carbon tips and it really gave the car some amazing character - great pops and bangs when you wanted them, great cold start roar - but probably best was it just gave the car a really nice exotic tone in the 3-5k rpm range. (and a bit of a banshee sound > 5k). None of the youtube videos really could do it justice - extremely pricey on the M5 but worth every penny. How about on the G80?

I'm leaning towards a full custom build G80 - frozen paint, carbon brakes, carbon buckets, MPE, full carbon body kit, orange full leather, etc.

Appreciate any insights you can share!

[50shadesofhockenheim]

From the videos I've heard, the MPE is fairly quiet. Doesn't sound much louder than stock

[MackSea70]

Originally Posted by 50shadesofhockenheim

From the videos I've heard, the MPE is fairly quiet. Doesn't sound much louder than stock

You would say that if you watched videos of the M5C with MPE as well (especially any of the EU cars).

I'm hoping we'll find at least a couple of members who have it and can comment.

[playswcars]

Better go Akrapovic for the money. MPE isn't worth it at all this time around.

[kjx]

The wait time for any BMW is dependent on the situation at the dealers you reach out to. In the Greater Seattle area for example, G8x cars are generally 1 to 2 years out too. Once in a while there may be one on the lot but you're going to be paying a dealer markup on that and obviously are unlikely to get the spec you want.

For everything you're saying about bailing from BMW to Porsche, and asking about MPE even, it is surprising you were even considering an i4. You don't sound like the target audience for the i4 or Model 3 P type cars at all. Plenty of threads and YouTube videos as to why.

G8x cars, in AWD format especially, are ballistic when pushed and sound fantastic with the stock exhaust in Sports Plus (and fake noises coded out). If you want more, the consensus is to go aftermarket instead of MPE. Plenty of threads here.

'Whack in the back' may be missing without DCT but you can still hear and feel the thuds as the car shifts in its most aggressive setting. How do you put it -- the car prioritizes performance, control and handling over theatrics that take away from those impactful characteristics. You're less likely to spin out and total your G8x car in an upshift/downshift as an example. I unfortunately know more people who totaled their F8x cars than who still own one - all involved losing traction at the rear at the worst possible time.

[chicagofan00]

Check out FISH22's thread on the MPE:

M Performance Exhaust w/PSI mid pipe (12FEB Update) https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1897017

[jmg]

Originally Posted by MackSea70

First, a quick bit about how I got here. I've owned 4x BMW - 2013 M550, 2015 550, 2018 F80 comp, 2020 992S, 2022 F90 comp -> now without a car. (bunch of other stuff in the past as well).

So my initial reaction when the G80 came out - was to bail out on BMW, go over to Porsche for a while (992S). For whatever reason that car didn't do it for me (too civilized). My favorite of my own fleet was my F80. I loved the 2022 F90 as well, though I only kept it 4 months (lease assumption). The F90 is amazing. But it definitely feels luxury first, fast M second. The F80 felt full on M (and missing a lot of the luxuries of the 5 series in general, though I think that's changed in the G generation). Now, the G80 is growing on me.

So here's where I'm at. I've got the gears in motion to get into an i4M50. (wife has a tesla, so we'd be a 2 EV family). I'm now hearing the i4 could be as much as 1.5 - 2 years out. I hear the wait list for the G80 *could* be shorter.

For those who've made the journey from F80 -> G80 - does the G80 have the same visceral feel? TBH, I know everyone raves about the ZF8 - I hated it in my F90. If you're not going to do 3 pedals (I had 7MT in my 992) then the DCT makes the car at least feel a little more special (much the same as Porsche does w the PDK). It really irks me that BMW chose not to up-engineer the DCT to handle more power. When my DCT in the F80 would 1-2 I could fully break the rears loose and then bark it going 2-3. I understand x-drive and all on the G80 - but on my F90 ZF8 it was fast shifting but never had that whack in the back that the DCT gave the F80. What say ye G80 owners? Will this be a pet peeve for me?

Next, for those who ordered their G80 w MPE (not interested in discussions on the arrangement of the tailpipes). Does it give the car snarl? (US based please). My F90 had the titanium MPE with carbon tips and it really gave the car some amazing character - great pops and bangs when you wanted them, great cold start roar - but probably best was it just gave the car a really nice exotic tone in the 3-5k rpm range. (and a bit of a banshee sound > 5k). None of the youtube videos really could do it justice - extremely pricey on the M5 but worth every penny. How about on the G80?

I'm leaning towards a full custom build G80 - frozen paint, carbon brakes, carbon buckets, MPE, full carbon body kit, orange full leather, etc.

Appreciate any insights you can share!

I went from a F80 M3 (DCT) to a F80 M3 CS (DCT) to a G82 Comp X-Drive (ZF8). Stock, my G82 is quicker on the track than my modified F80 M3 CS with sticker rubber. Not only faster, but more fun, easier to play with on the limit, and better balanced. You can read about it here: Replacing my F80 M3 CS with a G82 M4 Competition X-Drive where I compared both cars' lap times on the same track with similar conditions.

The DCT is, in fact, snappier. However, that's not how I measure fun. In fact, on the track, the snappiness can upset the car enough to affect the handling, so I use DCT shifting level 2 on the track to make in smoother. In the ZF8, I use shifting level 3. In both, I'm manually shifting. The ZF8 isn't as fast, but smoother. Lap times show it's faster, so the milliseconds more time it takes to shift really isn't a factor. Additionally, it's still so much faster than a standard automatic, it still has that sporty, performance car feel.

However, the pull of the G8X is incredible, so you will get the whack in the back feeling regardless if it's a DCT or ZF8. It just won't be as sharp between gears, but it matters little since you're still pinned against the seat with a faster 0-60 than the F80.


MPE: The MPE is a bit neutered in sound compared to the F80's MPE, which I had in both my previous F80's. I've read it is because of new European regulations that they had to meet certain noise standards as a factory option. I didn't option the G80 MPE for this reason. Instead I opted for a PSI Midpipe which deletes the secondary cats and resonators without throwing a code. IMHO it sounds perfect. A bit more refined than the F80 MPE, with just as many burbles, love them or hate them. It sounds glorious at speed. I think the perfect setup would be the G8X MPE with an aftermarket midpipe to open it up. That way you get the unique center exhaust layout plus some added sound.

Having just come back from my 3rd track day with the G82 (first time with suspension, camber plates, race pads) I'm fully convinced that the G82 is the superior track weapon than the F8X, not only because it's faster around the track, but because it's so so rewarding. After much thought, this is the best way I can put it:

With the G82 I feel like I'm more playing with the oversteer through the throttle.
In the F80 I felt like was more saving the car from oversteer with the throttle.

Does that makes sense?

Granted, I have the X-Drive, but I think the general consensus is the same with the RWD as well. It's just got so much more grip and balance than its predecessors.

Gratuitous photo from this past track day:

[frankiebones]

the stock exhaust looks amazing and it SOUNDS amazing with a single midpipe. It sounds the same as my F80 CS with MPE.

[Besharaf]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

the stock exhaust looks amazing and it SOUNDS amazing with a single midpipe. It sounds the same as my F80 CS with MPE.

Is the single midpipe plug and play? No issues with passing inspection/warranty work?

[FISH22]

I pulled the trigger on the MPE primarily for its design (I'm assuming most will do this as well), and I'm glad I did.

Many other cheaper options out there for more sound. But the MPE does produce a unique growl.. probably over-dramatic to say exotic sounding, but it's pretty unique, just not crazy loud.

I'll be installing a resonated single mid pipe soon. Paired with the PSI mid pipe was a bit much.

Would I do it all over again? YES. It's a wild setup and never get enough of it. I've put about 2k miles on mine, and really didn't notice a big sound increase till about 1k miles in. It's truly a piece that is mostly appreciated in person.

[brava09]

The ZF8 in the G82 is miles better than in the F90. I hated it in my M5, but love it now in the M4.
You do get the kick in the back at most aggressive shifting, and no more delay at redline upshift as in the M5

Overall, the M4 gearbox is more racey tuned than in the M5

[jmg]

Originally Posted by brava09

The ZF8 in the G82 is miles better than in the F90. I hated it in my M5, but love it now in the M4.
You do get the kick in the back at most aggressive shifting, and no more delay at redline upshift as in the M5

Overall, the M4 gearbox is more racey tuned than in the M5

I felt the same way when I drove an M5 Comp on the track. I thought I must have been mistaken as I thought they would have tuned them to be the same.

[masd79]

Originally Posted by jmg

I felt the same way when I drove an M5 Comp on the track. I thought I must have been mistaken as I thought they would have tuned them to be the same.

Diff between a v8 connected to a zf8 I suppose… f90 m5c takes the crown in stock exhaust sound and sheer power but g8x m3/4c gives that visceral connected feel that is way better than f80

[MackSea70]

Hey All -

Wow, great replies here - thoughtful and on point. Certainly has helped ease my mind a bit about the G80 still being the real deal. Def is steering me towards cancelling the i4 order and getting another M3.

Especially appreciate the discussion on exhaust and the tuning of the ZF in the G platform. I'll be going with MPE on this build.

I can still yearn for my old DCT (now wouldn't that be a hell of a swap) but glad to hear the direct comment about the differences on the ZF in the F90 vs G80.

Now time to spec it - struggling w the added wait time of individual paint, could be Portimao (gloss or frozen), could be Brooklyn, could be Dravit. Interior is likely going to be Kylami, carbon buckets, carbon trim - then the carbon pack outside, carbon ceramics and the MPE.

Thank you so much for all the insights!

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Besharaf

Is the single midpipe plug and play? No issues with passing inspection/warranty work?

You have to cut it. It would never be a warranty issue for a post cat mod. Doesn't throw a CEL.

[mthreesixty3]

Originally Posted by MackSea70

First, a quick bit about how I got here. I've owned 4x BMW - 2013 M550, 2015 550, 2018 F80 comp, 2020 992S, 2022 F90 comp -> now without a car. (bunch of other stuff in the past as well).

So my initial reaction when the G80 came out - was to bail out on BMW, go over to Porsche for a while (992S). For whatever reason that car didn't do it for me (too civilized). My favorite of my own fleet was my F80. I loved the 2022 F90 as well, though I only kept it 4 months (lease assumption). The F90 is amazing. But it definitely feels luxury first, fast M second. The F80 felt full on M (and missing a lot of the luxuries of the 5 series in general, though I think that's changed in the G generation). Now, the G80 is growing on me.

So here's where I'm at. I've got the gears in motion to get into an i4M50. (wife has a tesla, so we'd be a 2 EV family). I'm now hearing the i4 could be as much as 1.5 - 2 years out. I hear the wait list for the G80 *could* be shorter.

For those who've made the journey from F80 -> G80 - does the G80 have the same visceral feel? TBH, I know everyone raves about the ZF8 - I hated it in my F90. If you're not going to do 3 pedals (I had 7MT in my 992) then the DCT makes the car at least feel a little more special (much the same as Porsche does w the PDK). It really irks me that BMW chose not to up-engineer the DCT to handle more power. When my DCT in the F80 would 1-2 I could fully break the rears loose and then bark it going 2-3. I understand x-drive and all on the G80 - but on my F90 ZF8 it was fast shifting but never had that whack in the back that the DCT gave the F80. What say ye G80 owners? Will this be a pet peeve for me?

Next, for those who ordered their G80 w MPE (not interested in discussions on the arrangement of the tailpipes). Does it give the car snarl? (US based please). My F90 had the titanium MPE with carbon tips and it really gave the car some amazing character - great pops and bangs when you wanted them, great cold start roar - but probably best was it just gave the car a really nice exotic tone in the 3-5k rpm range. (and a bit of a banshee sound > 5k). None of the youtube videos really could do it justice - extremely pricey on the M5 but worth every penny. How about on the G80?

I'm leaning towards a full custom build G80 - frozen paint, carbon brakes, carbon buckets, MPE, full carbon body kit, orange full leather, etc.

Appreciate any insights you can share!

Why on God's green earth would you want to get an i4 if you want any sort of "visceral" feel? EVs have no soul

[MackSea70]

Originally Posted by mthreesixty3

Why on God's green earth would you want to get an i4 if you want any sort of "visceral" feel? EVs have no soul

Fair question and totally on point re: EV = no soul.

If we're to believe the regulators, manufacturers and the automotive press, we're all going to be driving EVs in the next 10 years.

My first thought was to go ahead and jumpstart that journey in a brand I love. Wife has a Tesla Y - and for what it is, it's not a bad car. It's not a great car either, but it's "ok" for basic A to B transport.

I thought, well, I can get into an i4M50, but with BMW and so it will be a "better" EV. And the fact is, I do most of our kid transport duties which include afternoon pickup in car line (we live too close to school for bus service, but too far to walk). That means 30 minutes of sitting in line in FL heat. I couldn't bring myself to idle my 911 or M5 for 30 minutes in 100 degree heat, not because of the environment, but it's just not healthy on an engine. So maybe an EV. I feel a lot less guilty sitting there in the Tesla w the AC cranked cold and NetFlix on screen.

However. The fact that the i4M50 is not a dedicated EV platform - the transmission and driveshaft tunnels REALLY bother me - the fact that compromises had to be made which result in the i4 being not all it could be started me thinking.

I better enjoy a couple of more ICE before I'm not left with this choice. And since of all my cars over the past 10 years, the only one that I look back fondly at is my F80, well, another M3 it will be. Plus, now I'm on a quest to create a bit of a 1 of 1 spec with it WHEN I get my allocation (and I'm told that's going to be a looooooong time).

BTW - if you think me considering the i4 was nutty, then you'll really think I've gone off the deep end. In order to hold me over until I can order my M3, I went ahead and ordered a 2022 Ram TRX to drive until the M3 comes in. Ordered last week, already scheduled for build and I'm told I'll see that in 3-6 months. Because why the hell not 702HP and a supercharger.

[brava09]

Originally Posted by MackSea70

Hey All -

Wow, great replies here - thoughtful and on point. Certainly has helped ease my mind a bit about the G80 still being the real deal. Def is steering me towards cancelling the i4 order and getting another M3.

Especially appreciate the discussion on exhaust and the tuning of the ZF in the G platform. I'll be going with MPE on this build.

I can still yearn for my old DCT (now wouldn't that be a hell of a swap) but glad to hear the direct comment about the differences on the ZF in the F90 vs G80.

Now time to spec it - struggling w the added wait time of individual paint, could be Portimao (gloss or frozen), could be Brooklyn, could be Dravit. Interior is likely going to be Kylami, carbon buckets, carbon trim - then the carbon pack outside, carbon ceramics and the MPE.

Thank you so much for all the insights!

I have the Kyalami full leather with carbon trim, just gorgeous

And black on outside with red callipers. The new grill works better with black paint