[onderyetiskin]

here is new amg c43

I put 4 doors but please compere 2 doors coupe. not with 4 doors sedan!

So, Amg C43 have: adaptive air suspension, 42 V electric engine, 2.0 new formula tech engine, great luxury interior, totally new production not old generation updated. electric turbo, no turbo lag. 410-430 HP. 62 K BASE PRICE! (Mercedes decided only use V4 2.0 engine all their car, even C63)

M240i: (correction:I6 Engine), more lighter, more looks sportier, almost same comfort with adaptive suspension. good handling. more smaller. more reliable. and full loaded around 60-62 K or you can go with 51K base model.

so the big differences is almost 10K. bmw 10K cheaper.

So what you guys thinking and which you prefer and why?

[coreyjn7]

Two completely different cars, you'd be better comparing a C class to a 3/4 Series. Also the B58 is an inline 6 engine not a V6

[pbw]

Correction I6 not a V6

[ryo-]

I feel like you should be comparing base vs base as options vary depending on the person. IMO, MB is more luxury w/ speed in a straight line while BMW is more an all-around car.

[tooly]

I understand why one would compare the two cars. I think many people buying both of these cars (myself included) are looking for a fast, comfortable, well equipped, luxury sport daily driver in the rough similar ballpark pricing (+-25k).

Ultimately I went with the m240i order because it just seems like it has more character, I can probably get a full load m240i for the same price as a bare c43. I would also be waiting far longer by the looks for things for the merc.

Nice car though!!!

[onderyetiskin]

Originally Posted by tooly

I understand why one would compare the two cars. I think many people buying both of these cars (myself included) are looking for a fast, comfortable, well equipped, luxury sport daily driver in the rough similar ballpark pricing (+-25k).

Ultimately I went with the m240i order because it just seems like it has more character, I can probably get a full load m240i for the same price as a bare c43. I would also be waiting far longer by the looks for things for the merc.

Nice car though!!!

Actually, I really like C43, because looks really upscale car, more muscle and closer to like Porsche, Jaguar level sport car. also more classy. BUT 2.0 engine! I think no one can tune this engine! looks like very complex setup! like electric turbo, etc.

So, I prefer to buy m240i.

[onderyetiskin]

Originally Posted by coreyjn7

Two completely different cars, you'd be better comparing a C class to a 3/4 Series. Also the B58 is an inline 6 engine not a V6

No, only those two car in same segment! believe me

med luxury, adaptive sport suspension, similar price, smiler power. bmw 380 hp - C43 410 hp

[tooly]

Originally Posted by onderyetiskin

Actually, I really like C43, because looks really upscale car, more muscle and closer to like Porsche, Jaguar level sport car. also more classy. BUT 2.0 engine! I think no one can tune this engine! looks like very complex setup! like electric turbo, etc.

So, I prefer to buy m240i.

Fair points! If only we were able to test drive both within one day and just pick the one you like off the lot like the good old days.

[onderyetiskin]

Originally Posted by tooly

I understand why one would compare the two cars. I think many people buying both of these cars (myself included) are looking for a fast, comfortable, well equipped, luxury sport daily driver in the rough similar ballpark pricing (+-25k).

Ultimately I went with the m240i order because it just seems like it has more character, I can probably get a full load m240i for the same price as a bare c43. I would also be waiting far longer by the looks for things for the merc.

Nice car though!!!

That the reason I asked this question and I'm agreed with you!

[BobHen]

Nice car but it’s easily around 11K more base-to-base than an M240i. MPG at 19 city is also not nearly as good as the M240i. The M240i is also a tick or two faster to 60mph.

Here is a link to the C&D review: LINK

Bob

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by onderyetiskin

here is new amg c43

I put 4 doors but please compere 2 doors coupe. not with 4 doors sedan!

So, Amg C43 have: adaptive air suspension, 42 V electric engine, 2.0 new formula tech engine, great luxury interior, totally new production not old generation updated. electric turbo, no turbo lag. 410-430 HP. 62 K BASE PRICE! (Mercedes decided only use V4 2.0 engine all their car, even C63)

M240i: (correction:I6 Engine), more lighter, more looks sportier, almost same comfort with adaptive suspension. good handling. more smaller. more reliable. and full loaded around 60-62 K or you can go with 51K base model.

so the big differences is almost 10K. bmw 10K cheaper.

So what you guys thinking and which you prefer and why?

Before I bought my 230i I considered -- was actually looking for -- a 2022 AMG C43. I found several around but the nearest one was almost 190 miles away. I spoke with my M-B dealer and he told me dealer to dealer car exchanges just don't happen now. Every dealer wants to hold on to its stock of vehicles with the idea of selling the vehicle at retail.

The AMG cost more. The ones I liked were stickered at around $62K. But I liked the inline 6-cylinder engine and the lack of any electric motor BS.

As I was searching around I became aware of the BMW 2 series coupe and the 240xi/230i models.

My research indicated while the AMG C43 was (to state the obvious) a nice car the BMW cars had better handling. The C43 steering was described as IIRC "vague".

I never test drove one though.

But reading about the 2023 MY and the presence of that 42V electric motor and the loss of the 6-cylinder engine to a 4-cylinder engine would have me *not* considering a 2023 model.

Long story short I ended up with a 230i which I very much like and enjoy driving. Yes, the 230i has a 4-cylinder engine but I feel it a better "fit" (literally and figuratively) than a 6-cylinder. And the 4-cylinder engine is very responsive, powerful, torque-y, and is averaging just over 30mpg with my use.

I suspect I would have been happy with the 2022 AMG C43 but it would have cost me around $15,000 more to buy (which was not a problem) but I think the 230i was the better car and cost less too boot so what's not to like?

[zipstic]

Here is my assessment:

Pros of the M240 vs C43:
-Much cheaper
-Better performance and motor
-Better looking (subjective)
-Is available now whereas the coupe won't be released for a year+

Pros of the C43 vs M240:
-Interior - specifically the integration of ID8 vs MBUX and seats.
-Better warranty
-C43 offers some additional luxury items (panoramic sunroof, ventilated seats, noise-insulating window glass.)

I'd have the M240i X-Drive if it were me.

I also found this informative from MotorTrend. Not exactly a glowing review of the C43's motor. I like the low end torque from the inline 6 B58 motor for daily driving.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...-drive-review/

In truth the issue may have more to do with torque than power: The M139L not only makes 15 less lb-ft of torque than the 3.0-liter twin-turbo V-6 of the previous C43, but its torque peak occurs 3,000 rpm higher in the rev range, at 5,000 rpm versus the V-6's 2,000. High-tech turbocharger notwithstanding, the four-cylinder engine simply doesn't have the low- to midrange grunt of the old V-6, and it shows, especially because the new C43 weighs within a few pounds of the old model, at a claimed 3,893 pounds.

The stopwatch tells the story: Mercedes-AMG claims a 0-60-mph acceleration time of 4.6 seconds for the new C43 on the way to its electronically limited top speed. The C43 we tested in 2017, which was powered by the original 362-hp version of the V-6 rather than the later 385-hp engine, recorded a 4.2 second 0-60 time.

And this is despite the new car's AMG Speedshift MCT multiclutch nine-speed transmission, which is said to deliver faster shifts than the conventional nine-speed auto hooked up to the old V-6.

[OriginalFake]

The only thing I want from the C43 is the ventilated seats. I don't get why BMW still doesn't offer them on the lower models.

[onderyetiskin]

Originally Posted by OriginalFake

The only thing I want from the C43 is the ventilated seats. I don't get why BMW still doesn't offer them on the lower models.

Honestly the new Mercedes design more elegant and more sporty now, before was ugly. I'm sure most guys are here not really care attention, But the Mercedes AMG looks really cool. probably when you sell you not too much lose money. actually bmw g42 is same. (that the reason i bought this car)
in the market there isn't too much 2 door sport cars.
Audi RS3 4 doors, Cadillac same. etc.
there are couple car have only 2 door, twin turbo, 380-420 hp, price is between $51-62K.

Lexus is very slow, Nissan Z is just like a "commercial" old Q60 mix old Z- cheap interior-very slow 0-60 time, RS3 four door and very expensive, Golf R family's car four door. Supra not practical - old interior, porches Cayman low hp, very old interior, new redesign is coming 2024 and pricey.

so that the reason i think c43 and m240i is very good compare.
for example if i can buy m440i for 64K, I will go with AMG C43, because 4 is ugly and slower than m240i, and same interior. so for 64K i prefer mercedes, for 51K I prefer m240i

period

[zipstic]

Originally Posted by onderyetiskin

Honestly the new Mercedes design more elegant and more sporty now, before was ugly. I'm sure most guys are here not really care attention, But the Mercedes AMG looks really cool. probably when you sell you not too much lose money. actually bmw g42 is same. (that the reason i bought this car)
in the market there isn't too much 2 door sport cars.
Audi RS3 4 doors, Cadillac same. etc.
there are couple car have only 2 door, twin turbo, 380-420 hp, price is between $51-62K.

Lexus is very slow, Nissan Z is just like a "commercial" old Q60 mix old Z- cheap interior-very slow 0-60 time, RS3 four door and very expensive, Golf R family's car four door. Supra not practical - old interior, porches Cayman low hp, very old interior, new redesign is coming 2024 and pricey.

so that the reason i think c43 and m240i is very good compare.
for example if i can buy m440i for 64K, I will go with AMG C43, because 4 is ugly and slower than m240i, and same interior. so for 64K i prefer mercedes, for 51K I prefer m240i

period

The C43 coupe directly competes with the M440i. The Audi S5 coupe should also be in that comparison.

BMW has a nice niche with the 2 series. It's rare to see auto manufacturers making cars in that segment.

[onderyetiskin]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

Before I bought my 230i I considered -- was actually looking for -- a 2022 AMG C43. I found several around but the nearest one was almost 190 miles away. I spoke with my M-B dealer and he told me dealer to dealer car exchanges just don't happen now. Every dealer wants to hold on to its stock of vehicles with the idea of selling the vehicle at retail.

The AMG cost more. The ones I liked were stickered at around $62K. But I liked the inline 6-cylinder engine and the lack of any electric motor BS.

As I was searching around I became aware of the BMW 2 series coupe and the 240xi/230i models.

My research indicated while the AMG C43 was (to state the obvious) a nice car the BMW cars had better handling. The C43 steering was described as IIRC "vague".

I never test drove one though.

But reading about the 2023 MY and the presence of that 42V electric motor and the loss of the 6-cylinder engine to a 4-cylinder engine would have me *not* considering a 2023 model.

Long story short I ended up with a 230i which I very much like and enjoy driving. Yes, the 230i has a 4-cylinder engine but I feel it a better "fit" (literally and figuratively) than a 6-cylinder. And the 4-cylinder engine is very responsive, powerful, torque-y, and is averaging just over 30mpg with my use.

I suspect I would have been happy with the 2022 AMG C43 but it would have cost me around $15,000 more to buy (which was not a problem) but I think the 230i was the better car and cost less too boot so what's not to like?

I'm agreed with you but m240 is for money/worth it really good balance. if you want to buy same class car with adaptive susp. LSD, I6 380hp. probably it can start 65-75K/ that the reason i want to upgrade my 230i

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by onderyetiskin

I'm agreed with you but m240 is for money/worth it really good balance. if you want to buy same class car with adaptive susp. LSD, I6 380hp. probably it can start 65-75K/ that the reason i want to upgrade my 230i

If BMW comes out with a 240i (rear wheel drive only) model I could see myself trading my 230i in for a 240i. Mainly for the 6-cylinder engine. Just has a bit more street cred I guess.

But I recall back in 2018 trading one high performance car for an even higher performance car -- same model of car different engines -- and the high performance car proved to be less than the sum of its parts.

Then I traded back down to a similar car I had before. After about 18 months and 8K miles on this car I decided it was just not that much fun and traded it in for the 230i.

The 230i is much more fun to drive. Bought the BMW May 31. Has 1400 miles on it so far.

[eddj]

Originally Posted by RockCrusher

If BMW comes out with a 240i (rear wheel drive only) model I could see myself trading my 230i in for a 240i. Mainly for the 6-cylinder engine. Just has a bit more street cred I guess.

But I recall back in 2018 trading one high performance car for an even higher performance car -- same model of car different engines -- and the high performance car proved to be less than the sum of its parts.

Then I traded back down to a similar car I had before. After about 18 months and 8K miles on this car I decided it was just not that much fun and traded it in for the 230i.

The 230i is much more fun to drive. Bought the BMW May 31. Has 1400 miles on it so far.

as far as I know , BMW USA has started to offer RWD models for its M240i s with the MY2023 lineup

[LivingInSalt]

yeah my rwd 240 is gonna be built next week

[onderyetiskin]

Guys I bought m240i. someone change his mind and didnt pick the car and i take it. . the bad news accidently the car was autohold and i push to gas pedal and hit the wall (how a person can be stupid like that) im lucky just front bumper scratch but it need full paint or order new front bumper.

if someone interesting 230i 2022 bmw (2000 millage) im selling.

[zipstic]

Originally Posted by onderyetiskin

Guys I bought m240i. someone change his mind and didnt pick the car and i take it. . the bad news accidently the car was autohold and i push to gas pedal and hit the wall (how a person can be stupid like that) im lucky just front bumper scratch but it need full paint or order new front bumper.

if someone interesting 230i 2022 bmw (2000 millage) im selling.

Sorry to hear you already hit a wall with your new M240.

[Autobahn SoCal]

I've driven the new C43 and it sounds horrible. 4 cylinder on an "AMG" car is just an embarrassment.
It doesn't drive nearly as balanced as the M240i either.