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      06-03-2023, 05:16 PM   #1
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Having owned both of the older generation cars, the CTR is a better driverís car. Iím sure this generation is no different.
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He needs to go to the Hoovy Demuro school of annoying reviews. Lucky guy to own two fun cars like that thoughÖ -
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Having owned both of the older generation cars, the CTR is a better driverís car. Iím sure this generation is no different.
People are going to be so angry at your statement, but having driven both I agree 100%.
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Having owned both of the older generation cars, the CTR is a better driverís car. Iím sure this generation is no different.
No surprise there. The FK8 and FL5 are insanely capable for what they are. M2 + CTR/ITS is a pretty solid combo
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      06-03-2023, 09:29 PM   #9
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Since they cost the same (LOL), I'll take the BMW. Worse yet, the Acura version is selling at a $10K over MSRP too.

I drove the Last gen R, and it is one of the best tuned FWD rides. Not sure if anyone can knock the chassis tuning for what it is. Damping as good as a GT3.
The issue is, it is still a vacuum cleaner 4CYL, and has a package that is based on a $25K car. I stopped driving FWD cars years ago, mostly because I found them to be simpleton cars. (I had an Integra R). Push till it understeers, lift to gimble the chassis, accel back into understeer. Meh.
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Since they cost the same (LOL), I'll take the BMW. Worse yet, the Acura version is selling at a $10K over MSRP too.

I drove the Last gen R, and it is one of the best tuned FWD rides. Not sure if anyone can knock the chassis tuning for what it is. Damping as good as a GT3.
The issue is, it is still a vacuum cleaner 4CYL, and has a package that is based on a $25K car. I stopped driving FWD cars years ago, mostly because I found them to be simpleton cars. (I had an Integra R). Push till it understeers, lift to gimble the chassis, accel back into understeer. Meh.
If youíre after an engaging car where you feel connected with an analog feel, the CTR beats out the M2 hands down. Regardless of the chassis and engine lay out.

You canít take the FWD out of an FWD car, but Honda has done a damn good job at making the car as neutral as possible through all corners save for sharp, low speed turns.

And yet, hereís BMW being sometimes chastised for their tail, happy F chassis - but itís ďfunĒ right? Now the G series chassis neutralizes the chassis a bit and is now faster (albeit with more horsepower and heft). All Iím saying is that car manufacturers are all after neutrality in their chassis with the ability to easily modulate mid-corner adjustments. I think Honda has BMW beat in this respect with the CTR. The CTR does this more ďtelepathicallyĒ, with less stress, and more finesse.

Edit- but dear god the CTR sounds like ass. I miss the high revíing b18/b16 engines.
Sec edit- double but, the s58 also sounds like assÖ
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CTR looks like a hoot but that engine sound, woof

My dude needs to learn the difference between subjective and objective but probably just misspoke. I thought it was a good "regular guy" review if both cars.
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Idk if it was just me but that was one of the most boring review videos Iíve ever watched. Put me to sleep. Needless to say both cars are awesome
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Having owned both of the older generation cars, the CTR is a better driverís car. Iím sure this generation is no different.
While Honda is a decent car, there is no comparison between the two.
Not sure what netter driverís car mean? The fact that Honda brakes are getting tired and super hot after 70 km of spirited driving making the steering wheel shaking like crap? Or the fact that the chassis is very soft?
Honda can only aspire to what BMW does.
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While Honda is a decent car, there is no comparison between the two.
Not sure what netter driverís car mean? The fact that Honda brakes are getting tired and super hot after 70 km of spirited driving making the steering wheel shaking like crap? Or the fact that the chassis is very soft?
Honda can only aspire to what BMW does.
1. Fading brakes. Often an issue with the pads which are easily remedied.
2. Shaking steering wheel? Sounds like the rotors are warped and/or an alignment issue.
3. Soft chassis? I donít understand. I would say the CTR chassis is well sorted in stock form. The OGM2 felt over dampened to me. The car doesnít need to feel ďstiffĒ to ensure better performance.

Elitist to say Honda aspires to be BMW. I would say Iím a purist and Iíll drive whatever gives me connected enjoyment. And for now, the CTR does that over all the M products Iíve driven. I make no qualms that it will be slower around the track, but the feel through the tranny and steering rack is phenomenal. Thatís what I enjoy.

Edit- On the point that Honda aspires to be BMW; I assume this is targeted at performance I guess? Engineering? Iím not sure. I think itís a little short sighted. Should I say BMW aspires to be Honda because theyíre still in F1 supplying engines to the top team right now?
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Edit- On the point that Honda aspires to be BMW; I assume this is targeted at performance I guess? Engineering? Iím not sure. I think itís a little short sighted. Should I say BMW aspires to be Honda because theyíre still in F1 supplying engines to the top team right now?
I was just about to sayÖ Honda is at the absolute pinnacle of F1 engines right now. Max won 2 championships with a Honda engine (looks like heíll win a 3rd too). I know their primary business is making economy cars, but they do possess a know-how and a racing pedigree that BMW doesnít have right now.
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1. Fading brakes. Often an issue with the pads which are easily remedied.
2. Shaking steering wheel? Sounds like the rotors are warped and/or an alignment issue.
3. Soft chassis? I don’t understand. I would say the CTR chassis is well sorted in stock form. The OGM2 felt over dampened to me. The car doesn’t need to feel “stiff” to ensure better performance.

Elitist to say Honda aspires to be BMW. I would say I’m a purist and I’ll drive whatever gives me connected enjoyment. And for now, the CTR does that over all the M products I’ve driven. I make no qualms that it will be slower around the track, but the feel through the tranny and steering rack is phenomenal. That’s what I enjoy.

Edit- On the point that Honda aspires to be BMW; I assume this is targeted at performance I guess? Engineering? I’m not sure. I think it’s a little short sighted. Should I say BMW aspires to be Honda because they’re still in F1 supplying engines to the top team right now?
Had several Honda’s top of the line. All my Honda’s were loaded to the teeth and top of the line. Ordered special custom made Brembo disc brakes at Brembo and issue persist. Rotors too little to hapdle the weight and stress on the car.
No, no warping. None of my Honda’s past 30k when sold them due to the same issue. I am one of the 1% of the people that maintain the cars to a level that very very few go. And no, no warping, car is left to cool of when washing, not to mention car was brand new. Sold it at 10k km on board when Brembo did not achieve the desired results. Better, yet, still shit due to brakes.

Chassis are very soft, frame is soft, metal sheets are soft. Ask any body shop that does frame adjustment. The BMW is the stiffer frame you can work on. Japanese are butter.

Road chassis strenght nowhere close to a bimmer. Nowhere.

LOL had a CTR for a month and is nowhere near close to any BMW. I will pick a 128i over a CTR. Anytime of the day. Better experience, better chassis, better handling.

F1 means nothing in the regular Joe car. Is a marketing thing.

Liked Honda, was good and reliable, yet, not at the level I want in any aspects. From materials to overall experience, BMW is a true driver’s car. I don’t even know why they compare them anyway. They are totally different vehicles.
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I did not watch the video but I drove the FL5 Type R of a friend and it's a very good car to drive, I would even say that I wouldn't be all that mad if you told me I would be forced to replace my M3 with one.

One thing that you can't get away tough is that is sound like crap but if you just accept it the car is awesome. Keep in my mind my usage is track day/occasionnal car.
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LMAO. really. Civic to BMW. In all world I have never thought I would see this. Civic to a Kia ok.
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Idk if it was just me but that was one of the most boring review videos Iíve ever watched. Put me to sleep. Needless to say both cars are awesome
I stopped watching after the first 25 seconds. You can tell right away what the next 27 minutes were going to be like. I have a feeling this video could send its message in about 3-5 minutes and Iím not wasting 20 minutes hearing about this guy brushing his teeth before going to the dealership. Iím exaggerating, but he might as well be talking about brushing his teeth with how he wanted this, it was too much so he got this and then this because available etc boring.

Having said that, itís easier said than done. YouTubers get a lot of criticism for being annoying or self centered etc, but it really does take a certain skill set to be concise and engaging on camera. Obviously this YouTubers is new, and almost everyone starts off awkward and unpolished. I wouldnít be too hard on him, but at the same time they need the honest feedback to improve. So, if this YouTuber is on here, my advice is to assume that no one cares about you right now. They donít need to know the details of why you have these two cars at the very top of the video. Viewers are selfish, they click on a video because they are self interested in what the video appears to offer. Give it to them in a reasonable amount of time. At almost 30 minutes, I doubt you have that much compelling content judging from the first 25 seconds. Economize your words, get the audience engaged, NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU (for now).
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I stopped watching after the first 25 seconds. You can tell right away what the next 27 minutes weíre going to be like. I have a feeling this video could send its message in about 3-5 minutes.

Having said that, itís easier said than done. YouTubers get a lot of criticism for being annoying or self centered etc, but it really does take a certain skill set to be concise and digestible on camera. Obviously this YouTubers is new, and almost everyone starts off awkward and unpolished. I wouldnít be too hard on him, but at the same time they need the honest feedback to improve. So, if this YouTuber is on here, my advice is to assume that no one cares about you right now. They donít need to know the details of why you have these two cars at the very top of the video. Viewers are selfish, they click on a video because they are self interested in what the video appears to offer. Give it to them in a reasonable amount of time. At almost 30 minutes, I doubt you have that much compelling content judging from the first 25 seconds. Economize your words, get the audience engauged, NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU (for now).

Youíre absolutely right - great advice and I agree. I watched almost the whole thing fast forwarding every 2 min for another 3-4 min to see if it would end up catching my attention and never did.

I would only add one more thing to your advice and thatís to just either be way more enthusiastic about the review or find a way to be weird- something to keep the viewer engaged and listening.

I do hope he has a successful career I wish nothing but the best for anyone doing this as I wish I had the skill to do it myself (I definitely donít)
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