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      06-08-2023, 06:11 PM   #1
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BMS Clutch Stop

Anyone installed it on theirs yet? Just did mine and it doesn’t feel very secure when pushed all the way down. It wiggles around a little, I’m afraid maybe it got stripped a little when screwing and pushing it in or something but it’s in there. I may order another one but was curious if anyone else has installed it on their G87 yet.
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      06-08-2023, 06:13 PM   #2
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I bought the burger and another one on eBay.

Don’t have my M2 yet.

Does the burger feel better than stock or not?
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I bought the burger and another one on eBay.

Don’t have my M2 yet.

Does the burger feel better than stock or not?
I haven’t driven around in it yet after putting it in but I’ll take it out tomorrow and see. It’s a bit concerning that it’s wobbling around a little but the clutch pedal is making good contact with the stop whenever I press it down all the way. It’s cheap so I’m going to order another one and replace it.
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Some of the G80 guys have reported it sometimes prevents the clutch switch from engaging, so it stops gear shift assist from working.

Enough to sway me from installing one - hoping there's a UCP in development for the G8x platform!
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Some of the G80 guys have reported it sometimes prevents the clutch switch from engaging, so it stops gear shift assist from working.

Enough to sway me from installing one - hoping there's a UCP in development for the G8x platform!
Interesting, haven’t heard about that. I’m treating the BMS clutch stop as a short term option as opposed to a more long term solution like a UCP. Odd that there still isn’t one available for the G cars yet.
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Interesting, haven’t heard about that. I’m treating the BMS clutch stop as a short term option as opposed to a more long term solution like a UCP. Odd that there still isn’t one available for the G cars yet.
Solution to what?
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Solution to what?
Looking to reduce the travel and engagement point of the clutch pedal since it would have a lower resting position which in turn should help with better shifting.
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Looking to reduce the travel and engagement point of the clutch pedal since it would have a lower resting position which in turn should help with better shifting.
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Some of the G80 guys have reported it sometimes prevents the clutch switch from engaging, so it stops gear shift assist from working.!
Then they need to adjust it by removing a washer or two and it will be fine.

As for feeling a bit wobbly or similar - after the first few shifts when the pedal is pushed to the floor, that should drive it into place and it should be fine. I've had one in my M2c since new (24k miles) and in my Golf R (50k), solid as the day they were installed. And very effective.
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Then they need to adjust it by removing a washer or two and it will be fine.

As for feeling a bit wobbly or similar - after the first few shifts when the pedal is pushed to the floor, that should drive it into place and it should be fine. I've had one in my M2c since new (24k miles) and in my Golf R (50k), solid as the day they were installed. And very effective.
These are cheap plastic parts that need a bit of finesse to get just right. Have had the Burger version in my Golf R over 3 years now. Best mod ever. The change in clutch travel has made the car so much easier, and more enjoyable, to drive.

I've got a Burger and an eBay clutch stop on my desk ready for the M2. I'll take photos of both and post when I go to install. I might end up combining bits from each to make my own custom version. Of course, the stop sale on the car has to be lifted first. UGH!!!
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      06-10-2023, 12:36 PM   #11
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I had a similar issue when I first installed mine. It actually didn't want to sit all the way in, but after going for a drive it settled and I haven't had any issues since (about 2k miles later).
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I had a similar issue when I first installed mine. It actually didn't want to sit all the way in, but after going for a drive it settled and I haven't had any issues since (about 2k miles later).
That’s one of the reasons I don’t want to install a clutch stop.
Wouldn’t it prevent the clutch from fully decoupling, thus slipping it further?
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That’s one of the reasons I don’t want to install a clutch stop.
Wouldn’t it prevent the clutch from fully decoupling, thus slipping it further?
The stop is for when you're pressing on it. It shortens the extra travel at the bottom of the pedal after the clutch is fully engaged.

AFAIK the only way to shorten how far out the pedal comes is UCP.
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The stop is for when you're pressing on it. It shortens the extra travel at the bottom of the pedal after the clutch is fully engaged.

AFAIK the only way to shorten how far out the pedal comes is UCP.
So you’re saying it’s safe because it has some travel after the clutch has fully decoupled? I’m always fearful of shortening the pedal travel and not fully decoupling the clutch because of that.

Plus the risk of sensors not being engaged
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So you’re saying it’s safe because it has some travel after the clutch has fully decoupled? I’m always fearful of shortening the pedal travel and not fully decoupling the clutch because of that.

Plus the risk of sensors not being engaged
Honestly the engagement point feels so high that it doesn’t feel stopping the clutch pedal travel 15mm sooner than where the OEM clutch stops will risk slipping the clutch at all. The BMS clutch stop with all discs in place has a total of around 15mm of thickness, I’ve read elsewhere on these forums that people have installed them with all discs for max distance reduction without any issues. I’m going to take one disc out when installing the next one anyway though.
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Honestly the engagement point feels so high that it doesn’t feel stopping the clutch pedal travel 15mm sooner than where the OEM clutch stops will risk slipping the clutch at all. The BMS clutch stop with all discs in place has a total of around 15mm of thickness, I’ve read elsewhere on these forums that people have installed them with all discs for max distance reduction without any issues. I’m going to take one disc out when installing the next one anyway though.
I took 2 discs out because that's what I had done in my M2C and I liked it. It definitely should be fine with all of them on tho.

I'll also add that I don't have any issues with the sensors when it comes to auto rev-match.
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I think the clutch stop of one good way of dealing with the clutch delay valve. I have started not pushing my clutch pedal all the way to the floor when shifting and am having a more positive shifting experience, much smoother. So, I have to wonder if less fluid behind the slave cylinder is the reason (less fluid to go throug the delay valve and thus less delay). Anyway, I’ll be ordering the stop, just haven’t yet.
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      06-19-2023, 10:07 AM   #18
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So I installed another clutch stop with one spacer disc removed and replaced the shifter knob with a Motorwerks V2 titanium plated shift knob. The shifts definitely have a better feel to them, the added weight of the shift knob feels good and the shorter clutch pedal travel is nice and the rev matching has been working flawlessly.

I will say it feels like you can definitely leave all of the spacer discs installed and not worry about slipping the clutch.
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If youre installing the BMS clutch stop, cut off the pointy end, it will fit much better, the point is hitting the piece behind it.
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      06-29-2023, 07:47 AM   #20
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My BMS clutch stop arriving today, has anyone tried it with all the discs in place for max amount of pedal travel reduction? Also I am not a DIY person at all but watching bunch of youtube videos on it making the installation look very easy on F87 or G80 cars. Is the G87 installation just as easy? My main concern is accessing the spot, looks like pretty simple mod after that point...
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My BMS clutch stop arriving today, has anyone tried it with all the discs in place for max amount of pedal travel reduction? Also I am not a DIY person at all but watching bunch of youtube videos on it making the installation look very easy on F87 or G80 cars. Is the G87 installation just as easy? My main concern is accessing the spot, looks like pretty simple mod after that point...
In the G87 it’s harder because to open the door to get to the pedals you can’t pull the handle from above, only from underneath it.
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In the G87 it’s harder because to open the door to get to the pedals you can’t pull the handle from above, only from underneath it.
I just took a look and looks like the clutch stop is exposed, no? I was hoping it was this white piece circled in red was the factory clutch stop that I needed to replace, what am I missing?
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