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G87 M2 vs E46 M3 CSL - A Comparison by Pistonheads
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This was an excellent review of the G87 M2 & just goes to show how this car is in a different league compared to the best M car of 20 years ago!
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I used to have a E46 330i coupe, manual. I still remember the smell of leather and beautiful and functional interior of that car. Nimble, light, beautiful and fast.
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Hate to burst the bubble, but this has previously been posted.
https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...postcount=1295 |
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M2 lacks hydraulic steering and a naturally aspired engine. For these reasons, the E46 M3 is better. Sorry.
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And that's your opinion of course. I'm fine with EPS if done right and FI is absolutely great in the S58. Plenty of benefits going FI over a NA setup.
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The M2 is a wonderful car in overall design, and its smaller size than the M3/M4 make it one of the best E46 M like options out there with new technology especially the infotainment which is not there in the e46 (of course). Anyone still holding a well-maintained e46 is my true envy though, they have a steller machine |
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Same. I had 4 of them. 323ci, 330ic manual, 330ic auto, and M3 manual. Absolutely brilliant cars. In a Z4 at the moment, which is lighter than the modern M cars but not as special. If they don’t offer a manual, I might pop over to the M2.
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At least the steering is better than the F chassis.
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The sound of the E46 M3 is nasty (in a good way). |
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I don’t hate the steering in my F36, but it was at the latter part with facelift so maybe bmw put some extra tweeking in there, but when I drive my Dad’s 2007 Z4 (or recall the drive of the E46 or e90) it was superior
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it's also smaller, lighter for me..so I also still prefer the m3, but glad the reviewers like it.
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While I thoroughly appreciate the exquisite sensitivity of my departed 911SC's (non-power-assisted) rack, Porsche has clearly figured this out (see this Pistonhead's article from a decade ago).
There are many things we have to accommodate ourselves to in these modern times (and hopefully BMW will continue to climb the learning curve for EPAS). |
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It’s more safer. These reviewers forget to mention the safety standards of modern cars.
I’d be comfortable to put my kids in the backseat of the G87. Not so sure about the E46 CSL.
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And electric power steering is here to stay. The racks may last longer, and may be less complicated. Shawn |
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Ultimately beauty is subjective and you are free to dislike it, but it's weird to see such disdain aimed at being blocky/angular, when so many legendary designs have been exactly that.
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The E46 looked stunning on day 1 and took no stretch or effort or convincing to see the beauty that has held up remarkably well but, with that said, I have revised my post simply to throw my vote for the M3 and while I don't like the general direction of huge sporty cars nearing 4000 lbs, I realize now that I just kept typing what popped in my head without thinking first that there are many of you out there behind this car that love it. Everyone hates my car too and I hear it all the time, so don't want to be part of the problem; really didn't intend to diss your ride. The real question now the M2 is the size and even heavier as an M4, what is a guy to do that wants a small, lightweight new BMW? |
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Though I would point out that the last gen m2 was the same weight as the m4. Ultimately the M2 has always been a slightly smaller m4 with cost cuts using most of the same heavy bits (suspension, engine, transmission, etc) and omitting some weight saving expensive options (carbon roof, forged wheels, etc). Ultimately I agree with you on wishing for a smaller lighter weight BMW, though that would almost certainly require a much more expensive dedicated platform. Safety, tech and chasing power all add weight and require a bunch of money to keep it off.
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