[Mani59]

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Top Gear have a first drive of the M2 and put the Cayman GT4 and 1M up against it.

[jmoh]

Thanks for posting. I'm curious if others have issues with the manual + carbon seats combo or if the guy just has weird proportions.

[CodeSlinger]

Solid review, crazy how much closer the pricing is in the UK between the Cayman and M2. Makes it a much more serious consideration (at least the GTS 4.0 to the M2, the GT4 is still a bit out of reach).

[M2siast]

Guy says “everybody thinks the 1M is a twin-turbo engine, but it’s not! It’s a single turbo engine with twin-scroll”

Ask yourself an honest question: given the lack of knowledge this guys possesses, and wrong information given across the board, do you really want to agree or listen to the “review” because if fits your biases? Question can be applied to all reviewers and influencers, but this person was one of the most egregious.

[cmgbk75]

Originally Posted by jmoh

Thanks for posting. I'm curious if others have issues with the manual + carbon seats combo or if the guy just has weird proportions.

I was wondering the same, don’t believe I’ve heard that beef though. He seemed a bit short. I find the driving position in the M2 to be the best of any car I’ve owned. I sit as low as it goes with the steering at it’s lowest setting as well and it feels great. I’m 6’2 and can’t get any of my others cars to sit where I want to be. The e46 gets close, the Tesla sucks and the i4 doesn’t go down enough. The M2 is Goldilocks.

[Albator_IIII]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Guy says “everybody thinks the 1M is a twin-turbo engine, but it’s not! It’s a single turbo engine with twin-scroll”

Ask yourself an honest question: given the lack of knowledge this guys possesses, and wrong information given across the board, do you really want to agree or listen to the “review” because if fits your biases? Question can be applied to all reviewers and influencers, but this person was one of the most egregious.

The Gell-Mann amnesia effect is real.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by Albator_IIII

The Gell-Mann amnesia effect is real.

He was probably thinking about OG N55 M2, which does have a single twin-scroll turbo. BMW made so many inline sixes after all.

[BRAKE!]

You know... I gave up my deposit a couple of months back. I keep going back to the M2 and wondering if I should've just gotten it. Reviews like this puzzle me because everything they say about the M2 that they feel is a negative, seems like a positive to me. It's more capable, able to do daily duties better, it's WAY faster than a 1M, and despite the weight, it still handles very well. These are all good things, it's a modern M. I also still like the styling - it has good proportions with elements of the E46, E36 and E30.

However, if you're trying to buy a pure sports car - there are better options available. But... once again, the presence of other cars shouldn't take away from the merits of the M2 itself.

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by BRAKE!

You know... I gave up my deposit a couple of months back. I keep going back to the M2 and wondering if I should've just gotten it. Reviews like this puzzle me because everything they say about the M2 that they feel is a negative, seems like a positive to me. It's more capable, able to do daily duties better, it's WAY faster than a 1M, and despite the weight, it still handles very well. These are all good things, it's a modern M. I also still like the styling - it has good proportions with elements of the E46, E36 and E30.

However, if you're trying to buy a pure sports car - there are better options available. But... once again, the presence of other cars shouldn't take away from the merits of the M2 itself.

Wouldn't be easier and more helpful to drive the cars yourself and form your own opinion?
The M2 next to the Cayman GTS/GT4 is exactly what the 1M next to the Cayman R was at the time, the Cayman was and still is a better car to drive.

[dagoban]

Originally Posted by jmoh

Thanks for posting. I'm curious if others have issues with the manual + carbon seats combo or if the guy just has weird proportions.

The first time I was able to sit in the car, which was a unit with a manual gearbox and carbon seats ( https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1988717 ), the seats were perfect except for the bulges between the legs that if you are a bit stout they bother regardless of whether the car is manual or automatic. My legs fitted a bit tight, it is also true that I do a lot of cycling and sometimes I have problems with the sizes of my pants. Maybe a very tall person with skinny legs won't have a problem, I do.

[kimchee411]

Originally Posted by BRAKE!

You know... I gave up my deposit a couple of months back. I keep going back to the M2 and wondering if I should've just gotten it. Reviews like this puzzle me because everything they say about the M2 that they feel is a negative, seems like a positive to me. It's more capable, able to do daily duties better, it's WAY faster than a 1M, and despite the weight, it still handles very well. These are all good things, it's a modern M. I also still like the styling - it has good proportions with elements of the E46, E36 and E30.

However, if you're trying to buy a pure sports car - there are better options available. But... once again, the presence of other cars shouldn't take away from the merits of the M2 itself.

I agree about the "negatives" in these reviews. The way I see it, cars have gotten so good that it has car guys confused about what they want. It was easy back in the day, you just went after performance. Now the complaints are about being too competent? It seems like they are stuck in the mindset of looking for the old car instead of evaluating it as a new car. Almost nobody complains about Porsches being too good and having too much grip and precision, we marvel at what they can do. Now that the BMW has gained so much performance in the same vein, it's a problem? I want a car that puts the power down. Too much mixing in history and one's own ideas about what the car should be instead of evaluating it for what it is.

Complaints about BMW steering feel are valid, but no EPAS system is going to feel great like a good hydraulic rack, so it's kind of moot to me.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by jmoh

Thanks for posting. I'm curious if others have issues with the manual + carbon seats combo or if the guy just has weird proportions.

Yes, I tried them in the M4 before eliminating them, the bulge makes it difficult for me to heel-toe comfortably by restricting lateral knee movements.

[Squidget]

Meh, everyone focusing on the irrelevant bit because it suits our biases, but it's basically insignificant. Putting that boondoggle aside, most other stuff he said is correct:

1. Both the Porsche and the 1M are better cars if you value a tactile experience above everything else. Not a new take. Of course, the former costs twice as much and the other is 11 years old.

2. Because of the different prices in the UK, the 4 cylinder Cayman may be the better deal for the money if tactile is all your care about. (The M2 is probably faster on track than the 4 cyl, but that wasn't what this video was about.)

3. The M2 is the superior daily driver, with more space, comfort, and trunk.

4. The M2's suspension is far better sorted and capable than the M1, but that also reduces the fun factor on public roads. Again, not a new take.

5. The nut puncher in the carbon bucket seats impedes pedal work. I agree with that personally, and decided not to get carbon for that reason. The Porsche seats are great, the M1 seats are not.

Overall, this seems to be in line with every other review, I don't see any hot takes here.

[Squidget]

P.S. This is also at least the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen ergonomic complaints about a right-hand drive model of the G87. I recall other reviews complaining about seat position, the shape of the pedal box, etc.

I wonder if there's an actual difference that is causing issues for the Brits.

[MmmmmM2]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Guy says “everybody thinks the 1M is a twin-turbo engine, but it’s not! It’s a single turbo engine with twin-scroll”

Ask yourself an honest question: given the lack of knowledge this guys possesses, and wrong information given across the board, do you really want to agree or listen to the “review” because if fits your biases? Question can be applied to all reviewers and influencers, but this person was one of the most egregious.

Very true. Also, will all the time you have before uploading a video to YouTube, you would think SOMEONE there would have made a correction.

Sheesh!

[HulkMansfield]

Some of these comparisons are just ridiculous. Next we'll go over the pros and cons of the Rolls Royce Phantom versus the Vespa Primavera Pic Nic edition. The power, components and utility are nicer in the Phantom, but you can't beat that open air feel of the Vespa. And who doesn't want to shove their Yorkie in that sweet picnic basket.

[kyrix1st]

Originally Posted by jmoh

Thanks for posting. I'm curious if others have issues with the manual + carbon seats combo or if the guy just has weird proportions.

I've sat on the carbon seats and yes, it does interfere with heel & toe. But I could also think of ways where that wouldn't be a problem (pulling the seat closer to the steering wheel, adding slight cushion around the front part for example), and I like the added benefit of OEM weight savings.

I ordered the car without it but I may place another one for 2025 (LCI with more power I think?) and swap the car. Hope there are more color options by then.

[c1pher]

If you're doing this based on price, they should be using a base Cayman.

[mrdudley]

Such a goofy comparison. The GT4 is twice the price and good luck getting one.

[Ravenseal]

GT4 in the US is almost $120,000-130,000. 😂

I like my $69,420 M2.

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by M2siast

“Guy says “everybody thinks the 1M is a twin-turbo engine, but it’s not! It’s a single turbo engine with twin-scroll…”

That’s because BMW confusingly markets their single turbo, and their twin turbos as “twin power”

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

GT4 in the US is almost $120,000-130,000. ��

I like my $69,420 M2.

$69k...nice ; )