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      10-13-2023, 07:55 AM   #1
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NEW PRODUCT RELEASE: DINANTRONICS X In-line Performance Tuner for the BMW G87 M2

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Description: The DINANTRONICS X is the newest installment of the highly successful Dinan foray into inline tuning modules. Like its predecessors it is a highly engineered piece of computer hardware and software that enhances engine performance to levels the stock programming is not allowed to venture. It does this without affecting long term reliability or the functionality of on-board diagnostic systems when run under recommended operating variables. Unlike its predecessor however, the DINANTRONICS X is Bluetooth smart and offers convenient access to the adjustment of power levels directly from the palm of your hand. For those that do not wish to (or can't) alter their stock ECU with a more robust engine flash the DINANTRONICS X is a perfect alternative to satiate the craving for "more". Whichever level of engine tuning is ultimately chosen you can be sure to be pleased by the result.

NOTE(S): Please refer to the recommended mapping notice on the bottom of the product page for important operating information.

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  • More Power: Max gains of up to +75 HP and +69 lb-ft TRQ (Crank); +65 HP and +63 lb-ft TRQ (Wheel)
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  • 7 power levels and a bypass setting to choose from
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  • On board diagnostics and factory safeguards maintained
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      10-13-2023, 11:03 AM   #2
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How is this different from the RaceChip GTS Black?
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      10-13-2023, 11:38 AM   #3
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Their stock wheel numbers are what BMW reports at the crank, crazy. A simple piggyback tune going to 600hp wow.
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      10-13-2023, 11:39 AM   #4
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How is this different from the RaceChip GTS Black?
Same hardware, different calibration/mapping. Between the two it ultimately comes down to what you prioritize -- max power, price, support, etc.
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      10-13-2023, 03:38 PM   #5
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Same hardware, different calibration/mapping. Between the two it ultimately comes down to what you prioritize -- max power, price, support, etc.
From the sheets it looks like the dinan tune is softer than the Racechip?

Assuming you can't sell the same product with the same calibration so the Dinan one ends up here?

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      10-13-2023, 06:27 PM   #6
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From the sheets it looks like the dinan tune is softer than the Racechip?

Assuming you can't sell the same product with the same calibration so the Dinan one ends up here?

-GT3M2
We could sell the same calibration but we choose not to given our own internal testing. Our tweaked calibration is simply more in line with our brand philosophy and our customer needs/desires and goals.

That said, in line tuners all play with the same variables with the same limits to factory tolerances so differentiation for most users will be largely imperceptible. One product to another in terms of feeling will be nuanced at best, especially given identical hardware.
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I cammend Dinan for being upfront abt using the Racechip HW. Some of the other companies go out of the way to hide the fact.

Biggest advantage of Dinan is that they have more authorized dealers.

Biggest advantage of Racechip is that they include (no extra cost) a 2 year, up to US$10K warranty if you have a drivetrain issue and BMW denies the warranty.
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When it says 93+ what does the + really mean?
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      10-16-2023, 02:21 PM   #9
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When it says 93+ what does the + really mean?
93 or greater octane (aka race gas).
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      10-16-2023, 08:16 PM   #10
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Can you just erase any history of this tune when bringing to the dealer for service?
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      10-17-2023, 07:22 AM   #11
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Can you just erase any history of this tune when bringing to the dealer for service?
No. An inline tuner/piggyback (any of them) has no affect on the factory ECU programming or its reporting/logging so there is no physical way to remove all traces of its existence.

That said, unless there is catastrophic failure (engine/transmission) where specialied factory equipment is used or its blatantly physically visible, a dealership doing service will not be looking, nor see, anything.
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No. An inline tuner/piggyback (any of them) has no affect on the factory ECU programming or its reporting/logging so there is no physical way to remove all traces of its existence.

That said, unless there is catastrophic failure (engine/transmission) where specialied factory equipment is used or its blatantly physically visible, a dealership doing service will not be looking, nor see, anything.
Makes sense, thank you!
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No. An inline tuner/piggyback (any of them) has no affect on the factory ECU programming or its reporting/logging so there is no physical way to remove all traces of its existence.
"An inline Tuner/Piggyback has no affect on factory ecu, so there is no physical way to remove all traces of its existence."

This is a typo I assume?

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"An inline Tuner/Piggyback has no affect on factory ecu, so there is no physical way to remove all traces of its existence."

This is a typo I assume?

-GT3M2
No -- unless you hava an issue with the word "physical" and read that part in the literal sense. A piggyback has no access to the factory DME so can not alter stored/logged data therein. While there may be no physical proof of a piggyback after its removal it still leaves behind digital traces that the system was manipulated in the form of data points that would not be possible given factory programming. Accessing this data is not something that is easily done and a dealership is unlikely to ever go to those extremes unless a major failure (engine/transmission) occurs and factory tools are used for diagnosis.
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No -- unless you hava an issue with the word "physical" and read that part in the literal sense. A piggyback has no access to the factory DME so can not alter stored/logged data therein. While there may be no physical proof of a piggyback after its removal it still leaves behind digital traces that the system was manipulated in the form of data points that would not be possible given factory programming. Accessing this data is not something that is easily done and a dealership is unlikely to ever go to those extremes unless a major failure (engine/transmission) occurs and factory tools are used for diagnosis.
Thanks for clarifying!

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      10-18-2023, 11:29 AM   #16
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My understanding (I'm no expert) is that with the current BMW ISTA when the dealer plugs in to your car that has or had an inline/piggyback tuner there will be a message "Plug and Play Tune Suspected" it gets logged to the car records and no further action is taken.

Conversely, if you do an ECU tune, the system will instantly flag your car as tuned and drivetrain warranty voided.

As @Dinan_Engineering said above in the "inline/piggyback" case, further investigation/action would only happen on a case by case basis based on an actual drivetrain failure investigation. Would the end result be the same? Who knows.

I think being a suspect is better than being a convict
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      10-20-2023, 02:50 PM   #17
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Increased Torque!

Has this been calculated based on auto Cars? Can manual owners Partake? How will additional torque affect manual cars?
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Has this been calculated based on auto Cars? Can manual owners Partake? How will additional torque affect manual cars?
Yes, manual owners can partake as well. 1st/2nd gear will be a bit sensitive with either transmission but its even like that to some degree stock so the real equalizer there is throttle control with your right foot.
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Are you really going to add this and have warranty issues for a lazy 60 and a bit hp. Most would be hard pressed to notice the difference. What are you going to do,? gap your mate in a stock car on some freeway roll. If you want a tune, do it properly, Femto unlock and pay to play.
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Are you really going to add this and have warranty issues for a lazy 60 and a bit hp. Most would be hard pressed to notice the difference. What are you going to do,? gap your mate in a stock car on some freeway roll. If you want a tune, do it properly, Femto unlock and pay to play.
60WHP will absolutely be noticed by anyone who can drive and has some sort of senses in tact. For those who do not want the Femto route and want a conservative and smooth tune (assuming so), this is a good option for that little extra. Its on my shortlist.

On another note - 60hp more is what this chassis can handle on road without being too un-weildly to drive, especially on a track.

Considering they are going a more conservative route than RaceChip, it will hopefully be a more smoother driving experience. Look forward to hearing from others who have tried it.
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