[Bandit009]

Talk me out of it folks. Lol! I am going to look at a new 2024 MT Supra. I really like the M240i, but I miss a manual. I loveeee the B58 and it seems like it would be a blast to drive with a manual.

Also, steering is so numb in the 240i. I have never gotten used to it.

Tell me to stop!

[kudos]

Better off just getting an M2.

[apez]

I can't speak to the supra, but I had the same manual dilemma and ended up in an M2. If the 240 was a manual I would probably not have changed

[donnyfontaine]

way too lateral of a move. i could see an M3, porsche, or something random but sick like an LC, but a supra seems like not enough deviation to warrant the headache of probably losing money on selling a car

[Bandit009]

Originally Posted by donnyfontaine

way too lateral of a move. i could see an M3, porsche, or something random but sick like an LC, but a supra seems like not enough deviation to warrant the headache of probably losing money on selling a car

I love the B58 and having it paired with a manual seems like a match made in heaven. So I am not looking for much deviation.

The M3 and the Porsche are a big price jump. Can you get the porsche with a manual? I haven’t spec’d one because price increases rapidly.

[Littlecoupe]

You might need to drive a Supra to make that decision (assuming you haven't already). They are quite different, the M240i is more of a GT, the Supra is more of a sports car than the M240i. There are little things people have complained about with the Supra you need to be willing to live with. 2 fewer seats, lesser quality materials, arguably worse interior build (rattles), stiffer ride, some people hit their head on the roof getting in.

I thought about the Supra for a while, but looking back I don't think it would have been the right car for me.

[Bandit009]

Originally Posted by Littlecoupe

You might need to drive a Supra to make that decision (assuming you haven't already). They are quite different, the M240i is more of a GT, the Supra is more of a sports car than the M240i. There are little things people have complained about with the Supra you need to be willing to live with. 2 fewer seats, lesser quality materials, arguably worse interior build (rattles), stiffer ride, some people hit their head on the roof getting in.

I thought about the Supra for a while, but looking back I don't think it would have been the right car for me.

Agree I need to test drive and sit in one which I haven’t done yet. Backseat not important to me. I have a four door BMW if I need to drive extra people around. The M240I backseats are not that useful for full sized adults.

Also agree fit and finish on the Supra will be lacking compared to the M240i.

One thing I wonder is if a manual B58 will be rare find down the road as BMW won’t be making manuals going forward.

[VegasG42]

Is it your daily driver, or a 2nd fun car ? My current daily has been a 6MT for several years. And I gotta say, traffic and bumper to bumper freeway traffic gets old fast.

Another thing - the Supra is tiny (relatively speaking). Just watch videos of people looking out of their driver side window, where your eye line is above the bottom of the top of the window ( for taller people at least).

[mattleegee]

Ive driven manuals my whole life (42 now) and am enjoying my first automatic transmission the m240i is a blast even over sti/ms3/350z ive owned in the past... Im lazy and want remote start... this is life
Maybe down the road i may regret it, but i live in a wet, hilly area with traffic

[hxrly]

I would have gotten the Supra myself if I didn't need rear seats, as small as they area. Lighter car, looks better (subjective), and in manual; can't go wrong.

[Jashue]

I've considered the same move. Not nuts about the weight of my car, the steering and the lack of a manual transmission, but I LOVE the power. The truth of the matter is that the G42 is probably the perfect daily driver for me. It's super comfortable, has a lot of tech to keep me amused and it will get me to where I want to go as quickly as I want.

The Supra? I could have been a perfect car, but it has some flaws. I can forgive it for being too stiff as others have mentioned. It's purpose built and it should be stiff. I can forgive the alleged poor fit and finish-- which is to say it's not at the level of BMW, but Toyota is no slouch in that department either. It's leaps and bounds above, say, GM. Getting in and out of it is a shockingly difficult endeavor. I'm 5'7" and I still had to seriously crank my neck around to avoid slamming my head into the side of the roof. I suppose one would get used to it. And once in the car? MAJOR claustrophobia! If I'm in a performance machine, I want visibility. I don't want to feel like I'm looking at the outside as though I'm in a tank. I'd rather see the outside though the bubble canopy of a fighter plane (to stick with the analogy). My first cars were Preludes and Integras in an era when cars had narrow A-pillars. Those were the days! One could see everything! It was like flying! I want that— or as close to that as possible. You sure as hell won't get that from the Supra. It's pretty bad in that respect. Have you heard about the buffeting in the Supra? It wouldn't matter to me too much as I never drive with the windows down, but I'd hate to know that I couldn't roll them down at speed.

I'd still like one, of course, despite these objections. But I wouldn't trade my M240 for one.

I'm totally jonesing for a better driver experience though— as you are. I gotta scratch that itch. That's why I'm going to get an MX-5 as a second car sometime within the next couple years. Yeah, I know it's slow... but if my experience with my last two BMWs has taught me anything, it's that it is better to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. And the driver experience of the MX-5 is second to none (or very few). To drive one of those is to be one with a vehicle.

[BG42]

If you can wait a bit the 2026 supra probably be quite a bit better. I know they will def be on my short list then.

[islandfalconer]

If I could have bought an M240i XDrive Manual I probably wouldn’t have the M2. That being said the Supra is a stunning looking car, and Toyota really did build a drivers sports car. I don’t think the Supra would make you grin any less than the M2. Comes down to what you want to look at in your garage, and the B58 vs the S58. From a purely daily driver, I don’t think either is a bad choice.

[Bandit009]

Originally Posted by Jashue

I've considered the same move. Not nuts about the weight of my car, the steering and the lack of a manual transmission, but I LOVE the power. The truth of the matter is that the G42 is probably the perfect daily driver for me. It's super comfortable, has a lot of tech to keep me amused and it will get me to where I want to go as quickly as I want.

The Supra? I could have been a perfect car, but it has some flaws. I can forgive it for being too stiff as others have mentioned. It's purpose built and it should be stiff. I can forgive the alleged poor fit and finish— which is to say it's not at the level of BMW, but Toyota is no slouch in that department either. It's leaps and bounds above, say, GM. Getting in and out of it is a shockingly difficult endeavor. I'm 5'7" and I still had to seriously crank my neck around to avoid slamming my head into the side of the roof. I suppose one would get used to it. And once in the car? MAJOR claustrophobia! If I'm in a performance machine, I want visibility. I don't want to feel like I'm looking at the outside as though I'm in a tank. I'd rather see the outside though the bubble canopy of a fighter plane (to stick with the analogy). My first cars were Preludes and Integras in an era when cars had narrow A-pillars. Those were the days! One could see everything! It was like flying! I want that— or as close to that as possible. You sure as hell won't get that from the Supra. It's pretty bad in that respect. Have you heard about the buffeting in the Supra? It wouldn't matter to me too much as I [...]

Everything you said about the weight and numbness of the steering is my challenge. With that said, I also prefer the looks of the 240 and it’s a more adult/sophisticated car. The interior is much better than the Supra. I have to think about this more. The MT Supra I was eyeing already got snatched up by someone else anyway. Also, the 240 with the ZF and xdrive is faster and unlocks the full power of the car. I need to accept autos are the future. 😏

[kwikit356]

Jashue "I'm totally jonesing for a better driver experience though— as you are. I gotta scratch that itch. That's why I'm going to get an MX-5 as a second car sometime within the next couple years. Yeah, I know it's slow... but if my experience with my last two BMWs has taught me anything, it's that it is better to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow. And the driver experience of the MX-5 is second to none (or very few). To drive one of those is to be one with a vehicle."

I think you have the right idea in planing to go to the MX-5 for the manual gearbox as well as the fun to drive part. Given their very light weight and neutral handling (which is cheap and easy to modify), the 2019 Model Year and newer has 181hp. I would pick the Club Sport model with the LSD, lighter wheels and somewhat better brakes. You'll have to add a roll bar if you want to take it to the track, but I think the cost to add the MX-5 to your G42 BMW will be less than the money lost by selling the BMW to buy a Supra. I know many guys think MX-5s are too slow, and all you will be is a rolling chicane for the faster cars, but that is not necessarily the case. If the suspension is well-set-up along with sticky tires, it's not that hard to keep incredible momentum going, with very little need to brake going into corners. I was planning to do this for the 2024 track season with PCA, which, given my age, could very well be my last one. I finally decided that I just don't feel up to maintaining three cars anymore. Even with the cost of track insurance (physical damage to the car only) it will be cheaper for me to use my '16 Porsche Spyder for the limited number of events I have the energy to go to. If I were younger and had many driving years ahead of me I would be all over a '19 or newer MX-5. Just go for it and don't look back.

[ttaidapos]

I personally think you can't compare the two. With that being said, I was split between the supra and M2 manual. M2 got the win after a long test drive. You will not regret it.

[Littlecoupe]

Originally Posted by kwikit356

If the suspension is well-set-up along with sticky tires, it's not that hard to keep incredible momentum going, with very little need to brake going into corners.

I can confirm MX-5's are fast with a good driver, suspension and tires. In my brief track event this last summer, I was paired up with a NC MX-5 in front (touge style race). I was right on his bumper off the line, but I could not keep up with him in the corner at all. Come the next straight, I quickly and aggressively pull up to him again, but he's gone in the S bend afterward and I could not catch back up. He probably had very few power adders since I pulled up so quickly, but his cornering was just insane. My G force meter in the M240i clocked over 1g on some of my corners, so he had lots of grip even being way down on power.

MX-5's / Miata's are definitely an awesome car when dialed in. And even stock, so many experienced reviewers still love them. I've been pondering the idea repeatedly, but my never ending car payments interfere financially...lol.

[Mike5250]

I went from a supra manual to a 24 240ix.

Besides a great engine they are very different.

How tall are you? 6’2 and I wasn’t comfortable driving >2 hrs. Couldn’t fit with a helmet for track days comfortably. Visibility is awkward. This will depend on your height too. Weirdly liked the simple 5 year old bmw infotainment.

It loves to be sideways when driving at 50%. The m240 you need to push to 90% to feel similar level of craziness.

The trunk isn’t super usable.

I miss it. Regret selling it a little but broke even after 7k miles. The comfort for road trips. Daily driving in traffic, heading to work is great to have. That being said may get an m2 if I don’t have to take a bath to make it happen.

[Bandit009]

Originally Posted by Mike5250

I went from a supra manual to a 24 240ix.

Besides a great engine they are very different.

How tall are you? 6’2 and I wasn’t comfortable driving >2 hrs. Couldn’t fit with a helmet for track days comfortably. Visibility is awkward. This will depend on your height too. Weirdly liked the simple 5 year old bmw infotainment.

It loves to be sideways when driving at 50%. The m240 you need to push to 90% to feel similar level of craziness.

The trunk isn’t super usable.

I miss it. Regret selling it a little but broke even after 7k miles. The comfort for road trips. Daily driving in traffic, heading to work is great to have. That being said may get an m2 if I don’t have to take a bath to make it happen.

I sat in a Supra today. Getting in an out of it I could see getting tiresome after a while. Very dark inside given the lack of big windows anywhere. Steering wheel felt good in hands. Seats were amazing. However, for the price I would probably just go for the M2.

Recently I have become more comfortable with the manual shifting mode of the ZF. It’s f’ing brillant! The shifts are so fast and really bring out every ounce of performance coupled with the xdrive. I am almost rethinking my feelings about wanting a manual. I took my manual 330i out this weekend and it is so much fun to drive with a third pedal. BUT, then I took out the 240i and that is also so much fun to drive because the shifts are so friggin fast and crisp. I could never shift like that with the manual. Not even close. I think if I got the M2 I would probably go with the auto. I know I have been griping about missing a manual, but recently I am so much more comfortable with the paddle shifters I am experiencing the ZF in a new way. I really see the performance benefits of the auto. Crazy my eyes opening only recently. However, I would want the M2 with xdrive. I really love xdrive. It puts the power down so effortlessly and efficiently. Maximizing the performance of the vehicle.

[Bandit009]

Another Supra became available. 6spd MT, absolute zero, anniversary edition. Talking to dealer this afternoon about price. I am sure that will kill the idea of toying with the switch. 🤣

[BlueLEDz]

These always the Supra’s cousin
The 2024 z4 will have a 6MT option.

[Bandit009]

Originally Posted by BlueLEDz

These always the Supra’s cousin
The 2024 z4 will have a 6MT option.

You think the Z4 will get a manual? Hmmm.