[OldButSmooth]

I am yet to find a Youtube review putting the BMW G87 up against a base 992 series 911.

I have found the odd 911 V M4 video, however nothing comparing the G87. Interestingly the G87 produces more power than the base 911 (and it needs to carrying those extra kilos), but, I remain curious if the 911 at double the price is the victor on a closed circuit.

For the record I love 911's, but can't justify spending the money and then being paranoid putting mileage on it (it's a residual value thing), not an issue using the G87 as often as i want.

Cheers
OBS

[El SID]

“He who goes to heaven with the lowest mileage Porsche, loses”

- Jerry Seinfeld

[Ravenseal]

Unless you have money for a GT 911...BORINGGGGG. Get an M2.

[m34door]

😆

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by OldButSmooth

I am yet to find a Youtube review putting the BMW G87 up against a base 992 series 911.

I have found the odd 911 V M4 video, however nothing comparing the G87. Interestingly the G87 produces more power than the base 911 (and it needs to carrying those extra kilos), but, I remain curious if the 911 at double the price is the victor on a closed circuit.

For the record I love 911's, but can't justify spending the money and then being paranoid putting mileage on it (it's a residual value thing), not an issue using the G87 as often as i want.

Cheers
OBS

If you don’t know, you don’t know.

I suspect it might be close but it’s a difference of how those numbers are achieved. I think I’d feel more nervous trying to match the 911 in an M2 vs the other way around.

[RPM33]

Get a base 992 911. Better handling, better steering, lower weight, lower seating position, better control, better looking car.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by Ravenseal

Unless you have money for a GT 911...BORINGGGGG. Get an M2.

Even if you do have money for a GT Porsche, good luck getting an allocation. You need to buy multiple cars to be considered for a GT allocation.

Used GT’s are priced higher than MSRP.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by M2siast

No rear seat space, no cargo capacity, (can’t fit your skis in, can’t fit your bike in, can’t fit your tires in), 2x the price.

Both are good cars, and if the 911 fits your bill, go for it. The M2 is an insanely better car, while the 911 might be the better toy.

The base 911 is a good car, but more bought by those that want the Porsche badge than enthusiasts who want to track it, as there are more visceral and better handling cars available for the same price.

[yuzu]

Literally $60k vs $120k, I don't really understand the point of even thinking about this comparison (which is why you're not gonna find content on it).

[M2Sky]

I have a 991.2 GTS and my G87, speed wise I think the gts would take it 911 Traction is just that much better. Base 992 prob same unless surface is perfect.

The main area I prefer my G87 is it’s playfulness the 911 just feels a lot more grown up.

[BRAKE!]

The videos on G82 M4 vs 911 still serve as good proxies for the M2. The M2 is essentially a shorter version of a base M4 w/ similar weight. I can't imagine a significantly different outcome.

[OldButSmooth]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Get a base 992 911. Better handling, better steering, lower weight, lower seating position, better control, better looking car.

Agreed a better car as it should be at twice the price of the G87. Not sure it is a better handling car than the G87, no doubt the Porsche has better steering feel (something missing in modern BMW's). Having owned a few Porsches I can state categorically the build quality of the G87 is not that far away from the legendary Porsche.

OBS

[KCuv]

Forgive me for the length - but this comparison is very near and dear to my heart. I'm a long time diehard 911 enthusiast, look at their market everyday, still will buy more of them.. and I made a similar decision when choosing the M2.

Quick caveat - To whoever said a base 911 costs 2x the M2, so how can you compare... its not really the case - Now, I'm not buying Bugattis or anything wild, im not rich rich - but the price was a bonus..not the reason to buy the M. I could comfortably pay for a 911...and my m2 was 77, not 60. Not 120, but still quite a bit more.

Even though 911s, I recognize and truly believe, are literally the greatest cars of all time...a base 992 Carrera, is lucky to fit in that bucket. I personally was looking at a carerra T, which would be 140k including sales tax, vs the 85-86 the M2 cost me. That IS a big difference, but it's not the only variable I considered. The M2 was the better car for me.

The 992 is only special because... its a 911...but lets be honest, unless its....air cooled, or any generation of gt3, its not "special" its an amazing "regular" car...but thats part of its charm I guess.

The M2 is special IMO. Carbon roof, carbon buckets, M tri-color every where...last manual M? potentially last RWD M? last gas M? There are things going on with this car that give it more of a cool factor.

It also has significantly more grunt. You don't have to tell me 911 power doesn't translate like other cars, I am aware - but if we're talking WHEEL hp - we're in the ball park of PCar putting down 340whp/300tq vs 470whp/410tq. It's a significant difference here, and the M car accelerates just about anywhere in the rpm range, violently faster.

911 handling is iconic, we know. If you own a g87 and have ever done any spirited driving in sport+ suspension settings, you know this thing has no body roll and is glued. All of the complaints about weight are out the window, this thing handles extremely well, and leaves little to be desired on any on/off ramp you can throw at it.


I could, and still may daily a carerra T - I think its cool to have something like that and treat it like a regular car. Every day stuff, all seasons. Shopping, drop kid off at school, road trips, you name it - it's just your car, and not only a toy. It would willingly handle it all perfectly, it would be great, and I would enjoy it.
There's zero arguing however, the M2 is better at that in every way. My kid has plenty of room in back, the trunk is huge, the seats fold down, comfort settings are quiet and silky/floaty on highway - few cars have this ability (this well) with the press of a button to be a "race" car and also a comfy GT cruiser.

There's also a pretty important factor to me a lot of people may not care about..
When I go to work, or a family members house, or literally anywhere - only car nerds notice the M. I do get the odd guy in a WRX going wild next to me on the highway psyched up to see the car, but generally..It's a normal car. I would look like a complete twat showing up to work among other places in a 911 all the time. Even back in the day with a 996 that wasn't worth over 20k at the time...Perception is reality.

Overall, the M2 checks all of MY boxes (which I presume a lot of you are in a similar boat) that just about no other car available today can check. The exception is the M3..which if I had to have 1 car, it may be in my driveway due to the 2 extra doors. Also.. if it had the M2 kidneys, it wouldn't be so hideous in front, but if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.

[JMcLellan]

Originally Posted by KCuv

Forgive me for the length - but this comparison is very near and dear to my heart. I'm a long time diehard 911 enthusiast, look at their market everyday, still will buy more of them.. and I made a similar decision when choosing the M2.

Quick caveat - To whoever said a base 911 costs 2x the M2, so how can you compare... its not really the case - Now, I'm not buying Bugattis or anything wild, im not rich rich - but the price was a bonus..not the reason to buy the M. I could comfortably pay for a 911...and my m2 was 77, not 60. Not 120, but still quite a bit more.

Even though 911s, I recognize and truly believe, are literally the greatest cars of all time...a base 992 Carrera, is lucky to fit in that bucket. I personally was looking at a carerra T, which would be 140k including sales tax, vs the 85-86 the M2 cost me. That IS a big difference, but it's not the only variable I considered. The M2 was the better car for me.

The 992 is only special because... its a 911...but lets be honest, unless its....air cooled, or any generation of gt3, its not "special" its an amazing "regular" car...but thats part of its charm I guess.

The M2 is special IMO. Carbon roof, carbon buckets, M tri-color every where...last manual M? potentially last RWD M? last gas M? There are things going on with this car that give it more of a cool factor.

It also has significantly more grunt. You don't have to tell me 911 power doesn't translate like other cars, I am aware - but if we're talking WHEEL hp - we're in the ball park of PCar putting down 340whp/300tq vs 470whp/410tq. It's a significant difference here, and the M car accelerates just about anywhere in the rpm range, violently faster.

911 handling is iconic, we know. If you own a g87 and have ever done any spirited driving in sport+ suspension settings, you know this thing has no body roll and is glued. All of the complaints about weight are out the window, this thing handles extremely well, and leaves little to be desired on any on/off ramp you can throw at it.


I could, and still may daily a carerra T - I think its cool to have something like that and treat it like a regular car. Every day stuff, all seasons. Shopping, drop kid off at school, road trips, you name it - it's just your car, and not only a toy. It would willingly handle it all perfectly, it would be great, and I would enjoy it.
There's zero arguing however, the M2 is better at that in every way. My kid has plenty of room in back, the trunk is huge, the seats fold down, comfort settings are quiet and silky/floaty on highway - few cars have this ability (this well) with the press of a button to be a "race" car and also a comfy GT cruiser.

There's also a pretty important factor to me a lot of people may not care about..
When I go to work, or a family members house, or literally anywhere - only car nerds notice the M. I do get the odd guy in a WRX going wild next to me on the highway psyched up to see the car, but generally..It's a normal car. I would look like a complete twat showing up to work among other places in a 911 all the time. Even back in the day with a 996 that wasn't worth over 20k at the time...Perception is reality.

Overall, the M2 checks all of MY boxes (which I presume a lot of you are in a similar boat) that just about no other car available today can check. The exception is the M3..which if I had to have 1 car, it may be in my driveway due to the 2 extra doors. Also.. if it had the M2 kidneys, it wouldn't be so hideous in front, but if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.

You are forgiven for this lengthy post. You went places with your thoughts that are deep and helpful. I appreciate the comparison to "similar" P cars as prior to ordering my M2 I was hellbent on getting into a 911. Now I feel compelled to post something sort of lengthy.

After determining that I needed a modern 911 with a turbocharged motor with some low and mid range grunt (I'm coming from a 19' M240i with the torquey B58) I started to land on the 911.2's Carrera base models from the 2017 and 2018 model years. But for $70K all you are getting is the 911 carrera base model with 40k or more miles and no warranty.

My M2's sticker price is about $69K and feels like I am getting way more of a car for that price. On top of that the M2 is a little more practical with the larger rear seats which my kiddos will really appreciate. Going through the process of researching Porsches I realized the type that I would really want is a $100K plus car and my budget is topped out at $70K. If my budget allowed it I would go with a Porsche for the opportunity to experience one.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by KCuv

Forgive me for the length - but this comparison is very near and dear to my heart. I'm a long time diehard 911 enthusiast, look at their market everyday, still will buy more of them.. and I made a similar decision when choosing the M2.

Quick caveat - To whoever said a base 911 costs 2x the M2, so how can you compare... its not really the case - Now, I'm not buying Bugattis or anything wild, im not rich rich - but the price was a bonus..not the reason to buy the M. I could comfortably pay for a 911...and my m2 was 77, not 60. Not 120, but still quite a bit more.

Even though 911s, I recognize and truly believe, are literally the greatest cars of all time...a base 992 Carrera, is lucky to fit in that bucket. I personally was looking at a carerra T, which would be 140k including sales tax, vs the 85-86 the M2 cost me. That IS a big difference, but it's not the only variable I considered. The M2 was the better car for me.

The 992 is only special because... its a 911...but lets be honest, unless its....air cooled, or any generation of gt3, its not "special" its an amazing "regular" car...but thats part of its charm I guess.

The M2 is special IMO. Carbon roof, carbon buckets, M tri-color every where...last manual M? potentially last RWD M? last gas M? There are things going on with this car that give it more of a cool factor.

It also has significantly more grunt. You don't have to tell me 911 power doesn't translate like other cars, I am aware - but if we're talking WHEEL hp - we're in the ball park of PCar putting down 340whp/300tq vs 470whp/410tq. It's a significant difference here, and the M car accelerates just about anywhere in the rpm range, violently faster.

911 handling is iconic, we know. If you own a g87 and have ever done any spirited driving in sport+ suspension settings, you know this thing has no body roll and is glued. All of the complaints about weight are out the window, this thing handles extremely well, and leaves little to be desired on any on/off ramp you can throw at it.


I could, and still may daily a carerra T - I think its cool to have something like that and treat it like a regular car. Every day stuff, all seasons. Shopping, drop kid off at school, road trips, you name it - it's just your car, and not only a toy. It would willingly handle it all perfectly, it would be great, and I would enjoy it.
There's zero arguing however, the M2 is better at that in every way. My kid has plenty of room in back, the trunk is huge, the seats fold down, comfort settings are quiet and silky/floaty on highway - few cars have this ability (this well) with the press of a button to be a "race" car and also a comfy GT cruiser.

There's also a pretty important factor to me a lot of people may not care about..
When I go to work, or a family members house, or literally anywhere - only car nerds notice the M. I do get the odd guy in a WRX going wild next to me on the highway psyched up to see the car, but generally..It's a normal car. I would look like a complete twat showing up to work among other places in a 911 all the time. Even back in the day with a 996 that wasn't worth over 20k at the time...Perception is reality.

Overall, the M2 checks all of MY boxes (which I presume a lot of you are in a similar boat) that just about no other car available today can check. The exception is the M3..which if I had to have 1 car, it may be in my driveway due to the 2 extra doors. Also.. if it had the M2 kidneys, it wouldn't be so hideous in front, but if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.

I have echoed much of what you’ve said in my thoughts between the M2 and my 911S. Due to the rear engine and weight, the 911 can just make better use of the power it does have.

I have had lots of people comment on the M2 and have gotten lots of compliments. I suspect it’s due to its newness and it’s also priced somewhat at a level that it’s more attainable. When I drive the 911, I’m just as likely to get scowls as I am compliments or acknowledgment of having a cool car. I used to get lots of attention with my C7 Corvette. Maybe the 911 just flies under the radar. I can tell you though everyone wants to race me in either car or simply pass me to say they can because I allow it lol.

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by OldButSmooth

I am yet to find a Youtube review putting the BMW G87 up against a base 992 series 911.

Other than like CarWow, I don't think there will be a lot of videos comparing both of those car's performance because as you said, the price is so far apart. My G87 was $76K with just about every single box ticked. A base 911 with every option is like nose bleed level of money.

Originally Posted by OldButSmooth

I have found the odd 911 V M4 video, however nothing comparing the G87. Interestingly the G87 produces more power than the base 911 (and it needs to carrying those extra kilos), but, I remain curious if the 911 at double the price is the victor on a closed circuit.

I would recommend tracking a G87, I don't think a standard 911 has a shot at a G87 on track. I think you would need to go up to a GTS for similar performance.

Originally Posted by OldButSmooth

For the record I love 911's, but can't justify spending the money and then being paranoid putting mileage on it (it's a residual value thing), not an issue using the G87 as often as i want.

That is certainly a good opinion to have and if that thought would bug you in your car ownership, then there's no way you should purchase something you are afraid to drive. It's like saving the car for the next guy, that's terrible.

Originally Posted by OldButSmooth

Cheers
OBS

[BimmerMat135]

For the same money as the M2 in Canada you get a base Cayman with the 2.0 turbo. I would love to see a review between those 2 the M2 would probably eat it for breakfast.

For the Base 911 I think the comparaison is only valid if you would pick your M2 automatic if you want a manual M2 then you have to go with the carrera T which is even more expensive. In Canada, it is pretty much twice the money of an M2 you have to give up alot of praticality. I did speed alot of time on the Porsche configurator but I can never justify the extra cost. It is a better sport car but is it twice the car?

[M2audioman]

Originally Posted by M2siast

No rear seat space, no cargo capacity, (can’t fit your skis in, can’t fit your bike in, can’t fit your tires in), 2x the price.

Both are good cars, and if the 911 fits your bill, go for it. The M2 is an insanely better car, while the 911 might be the better toy.

C'mon... The M2 is an "insanely better car" than the 911? 😂 It's not even in the discussion with a 911. Aside from price, carrying people and goods, the M2 has absolutely nothing else about it that surpasses a 911. Engine, transmission, chassis, looks, build quality, brand prestige...

911s are about as close to sports car perfection as you can get these days.

[M2audioman]

Originally Posted by BimmerMat135

For the same money as the M2 in Canada you get a base Cayman with the 2.0 turbo. I would love to see a review between those 2 the M2 would probably eat it for breakfast.

For the Base 911 I think the comparaison is only valid if you would pick your M2 automatic if you want a manual M2 then you have to go with the carrera T which is even more expensive. In Canada, it is pretty much twice the money of an M2 you have to give up alot of praticality. I did speed alot of time on the Porsche configurator but I can never justify the extra cost. It is a better sport car but is it twice the car?

Is it twice the car? No. Does it have to be to justify the price? Also no. It's worth every penny of what it costs and it holds value better than most cars out there. So while you will pay a premium upfront, you'll recover that at sale down the road.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Can you go to Costco with a 911?
Can you go skiing with a 911 with your skis inside it?
Can you take your children on rear-facing car seats in a 911?
Can you take your tires inside your car for a race day or tire changeover?

The M2 can do all of those.
The 911 cannot do anything the M2 cannot do.

So if the 911 can't do anything the M2 can't, how is it better, when the M2 can do things the 911 can't?

The M2 is an insanely better car.
As I stated, the 911 might be the better toy.

The Macan is a better offroader than a 911.
The Toyota Sienna is a better car than an M2 if you have 4 children.

Once you understand what "better" means, you'll get it.
The M2 is the best car in the world. But sometimes it's beat by a Civic. And that's ok.

I love Ferraris. They are insanely bad cars. I wish I had one.

You’re defining ‘better’ as more practical. You should have led with that. Aside from practicality, the 911 is vastly superior to an M2 in all criteria that a ‘driver’ cares about.

[M2audioman]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Can you go to Costco with a 911?
Can you go skiing with a 911 with your skis inside it?
Can you take your children on rear-facing car seats in a 911?
Can you take your tires inside your car for a race day or tire changeover?

The M2 can do all of those.
The 911 cannot do anything the M2 cannot do.

So if the 911 can't do anything the M2 can't, how is it better, when the M2 can do things the 911 can't?

The M2 is an insanely better car.
As I stated, the 911 might be the better toy.

The Macan is a better offroader than a 911.
The Toyota Sienna is a better car than an M2 if you have 4 children.

Once you understand what "better" means, you'll get it.
The M2 is the best car in the world. But sometimes it's beat by a Civic. And that's ok.

I love Ferraris. They are insanely bad cars. I wish I had one.

I feel like you're trolling us. The M2 is a sports car. You're taking about taking ski gear, kids and tires. Lol. You want storage go get a truck. As a sports car, it does nothing better than a 911. That isn't really debatable either. Notice even you couldn't name one thing the M2 does better than a 911 as it relates to driving. It's heavy, kinda ugly, and has lifeless steering just to name a few points for comparison purposes. You get what you pay for.

[BimmerMat135]

Originally Posted by M2audioman

Is it twice the car? No. Does it have to be to justify the price? Also no. It's worth every penny of what it costs and it holds value better than most cars out there. So while you will pay a premium upfront, you'll recover that at sale down the road.

Well I think so I am not ready to sign a blank check to Porsche just on the brand prestige they have to prove their worth. I agree with the low depreciation of the 911 but the M2 also hold the value well. So Even if the 911 lose only 10% of it value and the M2 20% since the car is twice as expensive it end up being the same lost for you. Plus a more expensive car come with more expensive maintenance, more expensive registration fees, more expensive parts and more expensive insurance premium.

Yes the 911 still is the best sport car but it is far to be the best value. If you are loaded with money it is the obvious choice. If not the M2 will give alot for much less money. Plus in bonus you will have better trunk and a better back seat.