[Lost23]

Anyone using the plug and play dahler tuner on the g87? If so was it worth the 2000 bucks?

[Reemie87]

I been looking into it Kies Motorsport sells it for like $1600. I came here looking to see what ppl say about it.

[Lost23]

Originally Posted by Reemie87

I been looking into it Kies Motorsport sells it for like $1600. I came here looking to see what ppl say about it.

Same here. check out this video I found. Pretty good results. Wish it was on the same dyno for before and after testing but again pretty good results.

[Reemie87]

Yeah I follow his channel and Kies Motorsport channel.
The question becomes for me; can BMW determine if u had something hooked up because these cars come with a black box which records everything which BMW can say hey warranty voided

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by Reemie87

Yeah I follow his channel and Kies Motorsport channel.
The question becomes for me; can BMW determine if u had something hooked up because these cars come with a black box which records everything which BMW can say hey warranty voided

If you remove everything and go in for service/repair and they (Big Brother BMW) are looking, they will be able to see you had a piggyback hooked up.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Lost23

Anyone using the plug and play dahler tuner on the g87? If so was it worth the 2000 bucks?

We offer it, but in my honest opinion, no piggyback is worth $2000 that's just ridiculous.

Jb4 and the Racechip are better value options.

[Reemie87]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

If you remove everything and go in for service/repair and they (Big Brother BMW) are looking, they will be able to see you had a piggyback hooked up.

I figured that much had a buddy tell me that. Well I will just wait till my warranty expires but here in NY is it really worth putting 100 hp more maybe not. Just keep it bone stock n do cosmetic upgrades n maybe the Venturi intake

[Reesnat]

I bought one and installed it a few days ago.

Off the bat under 3k rpm it’s exactly like stock, no change. Once you get on it it does pull harder but just like the stock curve so feels very similar in its power delivery.

Did a few 100-200 runs to compare with stock. Stock to Dähler 100-200kmph shaved off about 1.5 seconds. This is a bigger delta than something like Racechip that shows a one second gain in 100-200. So from a gains perspective on road, the Dähler seems to deliver what it promises.

I am fully aware that there are cheaper alternatives likes JB4/Racechip. And that JB4 offers a ton more features, ethanol mix, etc etc. None of that matters to me as much as a perfectly smooth, like stock experience, but more power.

My concerns with something like JB4 is that it’s running on hardware that’s well over a decade old and the signal processing isn’t real time. This is noticeable in how it drives.

Dähler uses power from the battery rather than pulling power from the sensors and a uses a realtime sensor communication protocol.

All in, it’s a great option for those that want a simple ‘fit and forget’ solution for adding a healthy dose of extra power in a completely transparent manner that feels like stock, but more.

[BMW DIY Guy]

Originally Posted by Reesnat

I bought one and installed it a few days ago.

Off the bat under 3k rpm it’s exactly like stock, no change. Once you get on it it does pull harder but just like the stock curve so feels very similar in its power delivery.

Did a few 100-200 runs to compare with stock. Stock to Dähler 100-200kmph shaved off about 1.5 seconds. This is a bigger delta than something like Racechip that shows a one second gain in 100-200. So from a gains perspective on road, the Dähler seems to deliver what it promises.

I am fully aware that there are cheaper alternatives likes JB4/Racechip. And that JB4 offers a ton more features, ethanol mix, etc etc. None of that matters to me as much as a perfectly smooth, like stock experience, but more power.

My concerns with something like JB4 is that it’s running on hardware that’s well over a decade old and the signal processing isn’t real time. This is noticeable in how it drives.

Dähler uses power from the battery rather than pulling power from the sensors and a uses a realtime sensor communication protocol.

All in, it’s a great option for those that want a simple ‘fit and forget’ solution for adding a healthy dose of extra power in a completely transparent manner that feels like stock, but more.

Great post and with stats too.. well done and thanks for sharing!

[Lost23]

Originally Posted by Reesnat

I bought one and installed it a few days ago.

Off the bat under 3k rpm it’s exactly like stock, no change. Once you get on it it does pull harder but just like the stock curve so feels very similar in its power delivery.

Did a few 100-200 runs to compare with stock. Stock to Dähler 100-200kmph shaved off about 1.5 seconds. This is a bigger delta than something like Racechip that shows a one second gain in 100-200. So from a gains perspective on road, the Dähler seems to deliver what it promises.

I am fully aware that there are cheaper alternatives likes JB4/Racechip. And that JB4 offers a ton more features, ethanol mix, etc etc. None of that matters to me as much as a perfectly smooth, like stock experience, but more power.

My concerns with something like JB4 is that it’s running on hardware that’s well over a decade old and the signal processing isn’t real time. This is noticeable in how it drives.

Dähler uses power from the battery rather than pulling power from the sensors and a uses a realtime sensor communication protocol.

All in, it’s a great option for those that want a simple ‘fit and forget’ solution for adding a healthy dose of extra power in a completely transparent manner that feels like stock, but more.

Did you put the Dahler on a totally stock motor?

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Reesnat

I bought one and installed it a few days ago.

Off the bat under 3k rpm it’s exactly like stock, no change. Once you get on it it does pull harder but just like the stock curve so feels very similar in its power delivery.

Did a few 100-200 runs to compare with stock. Stock to Dähler 100-200kmph shaved off about 1.5 seconds. This is a bigger delta than something like Racechip that shows a one second gain in 100-200. So from a gains perspective on road, the Dähler seems to deliver what it promises.

I am fully aware that there are cheaper alternatives likes JB4/Racechip. And that JB4 offers a ton more features, ethanol mix, etc etc. None of that matters to me as much as a perfectly smooth, like stock experience, but more power.

My concerns with something like JB4 is that it’s running on hardware that’s well over a decade old and the signal processing isn’t real time. This is noticeable in how it drives.

Dähler uses power from the battery rather than pulling power from the sensors and a uses a realtime sensor communication protocol.

All in, it’s a great option for those that want a simple ‘fit and forget’ solution for adding a healthy dose of extra power in a completely transparent manner that feels like stock, but more.

Thank you for sharing, that's an awesome post. Glad you like the Dahler, and its definitely doing its job

[Reesnat]

Originally Posted by Lost23

Did you put the Dahler on a totally stock motor?

Yes fully stock.

[Bryan_G87]

I am not sure about the conversion from 100-200 kmh to 60-130 mph, but here is the race chip vs stock on my stock M2 as well. Curious to see the difference since dahler is much more expensive.

Stock 60-130


RaceChip 60-130


Racechip 60-130 With really good DA

[rons e92]

Originally Posted by Bryan_G87

I am not sure about the conversion from 100-200 kmh to 60-130 mph, but here is the race chip vs stock on my stock M2 as well. Curious to see the difference since dahler is much more expensive.

Stock 60-130
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RaceChip 60-130
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Racechip 60-130 With really good DA
Attachment 3368095

In the Draggy app, select "Me" on the bottom right, near the middle of the page you'll see "Unit", select that option, then move the slider that says "units in metric" and go back to your stats and you'll have your times in 100-200.

I'm interested to see what you have because I haven't gotten to do a solid run yet with my Racechip where I've remembered to set the draggy up.

[Bryan_G87]

Originally Posted by rons e92

In the Draggy app, select "Me" on the bottom right, near the middle of the page you'll see "Unit", select that option, then move the slider that says "units in metric" and go back to your stats and you'll have your times in 100-200.

I'm interested to see what you have because I haven't gotten to do a solid run yet with my Racechip where I've remembered to set the draggy up.

Thanks for the tip!
Stock 100-200: 9.0
Racechip 100-200: 7.68
Good DA Racechip 100-200: 7.34

[rons e92]

Originally Posted by Bryan_G87

Thanks for the tip!
Stock 100-200: 9.0
Racechip 100-200: 7.68
Good DA Racechip 100-200: 7.34

That's really impressive. I wish I got to play with this thing more, but it's winter in NY and the ecu is headed on a trip soon.

Thanks for sharing!

[Reesnat]

Originally Posted by Bryan_G87

Thanks for the tip!
Stock 100-200: 9.0
Racechip 100-200: 7.68
Good DA Racechip 100-200: 7.34

Those are very good numbers too! The temperature and DA will obviously play a role, as does fuel tank load at the time of run, quality of fuel etc. My runs were with an ambient of 25C.

Nevertheless great numbers. The other side of the coin is how it drives and behaves. Both in part throttle and WOT, how smooth and transparent it is. If there are any micro hesitations between shifts etc.

Curious to hear your thoughts on those aspects too

Thanks for sharing!

[Bryan_G87]

Originally Posted by Reesnat

Those are very good numbers too! The temperature and DA will obviously play a role, as does fuel tank load at the time of run, quality of fuel etc. My runs were with an ambient of 25C.

Nevertheless great numbers. The other side of the coin is how it drives and behaves. Both in part throttle and WOT, how smooth and transparent it is. If there are any micro hesitations between shifts etc.

Curious to hear your thoughts on those aspects too

Thanks for sharing!

I have been running it for about 4k miles now and I have not noticed any weird occurrences. The car feels exactly the same just with more power! I wish we had the logging option like on JB4 just for the peace of mind but just from driving it, it feels like it could of came from the dealership like this. I have been considering switching to JB4 since I have e85 readily available in my area, but I have heard JB4 is not as smooth so I am hesitant.

[Reesnat]

Originally Posted by Bryan_G87

I have been running it for about 4k miles now and I have not noticed any weird occurrences. The car feels exactly the same just with more power! I wish we had the logging option like on JB4 just for the peace of mind but just from driving it, it feels like it could of came from the dealership like this. I have been considering switching to JB4 since I have e85 readily available in my area, but I have heard JB4 is not as smooth so I am hesitant.

We could still log using any other tool and compare how the maps are running. I’m happy to log and share the files if anyone with experience reading logs is willing to look at them and share some insights.

[Lost23]

Great information guys. The racechip seems like another good option. I just want something to plugin and forget about. I have no plans to send the ecu out.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Lost23

Great information guys. The racechip seems like another good option. I just want something to plugin and forget about. I have no plans to send the ecu out.

Let us know what you end up getting

[Redman777]

Has anyone tried the AReeves module from Autoid?
Results on Youtube vid ok.