[SpeedyATL]

Not all that surprising but still interesting I guess....

[JABCAT]

As a life-long Corvette fan, and current owner, I would expect it to be faster than an M2. The DCT in the C8 (when it's not leaking, broken, needing replaced) is what makes the launch to put the car out in front. It's probably a bit lighter than the M2 as well, so with similar power outputs (they both put the same power to the wheel), the DCT and gearing put the C8 ahead slightly.

The M2 looks significantly better, has a better interior (imo), and much better list of standard features for the $ compared to the C8. A similarly equipped Stingray would be near $100k when you include Z51 pkg, 3LT interior pkg, etc. And you can't get carbon roof, buckets, or carbon ceramic brakes on the Stingray.

[Carefree]

Good for clicks.

[Tag]

Fun to watch but these two cars are nothing alike. The C8 is a ground up sports car while the M2 is not. I was surprised the M2 was even somewhat competitive with the vette. No other car that I can think of offers that much performance with rear seats, a decent size trunk and at this price point. Also, you can't get the C8 with a MT so it loses in that area.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by Tag

Fun to watch but these two cars are nothing alike. The C8 is a ground up sports car while the M2 is not. I was surprised the M2 was even somewhat competitive with the vette. No other car that I can think of offers that much performance with rear seats, a decent size trunk and at this price point. Also, you can't get the C8 with a MT so it loses in that area.

Agree. The Corvette literally has no other vehicles in it's segment, so you have to compare it to everything else with similar power.

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

Agree. The Corvette literally has no other vehicles in it's segment, so you have to compare it to everything else with similar power.

Is that really true? My intuition says it can't be THAT unique, especially now that it's a more euro-y mid engine layout.

But hmm, I also can't really come up with a clean cross-shop either. There are high power 2 seater mid-engine cars, but they tend to be very expensive supercars, mid 6 figures and up. Koenigsegg, niche stuff like that.

Huh. Yeah. I can't argue the point.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

As a life-long Corvette fan, and current owner, I would expect it to be faster than an M2. The DCT in the C8 (when it's not leaking, broken, needing replaced) is what makes the launch to put the car out in front. It's probably a bit lighter than the M2 as well, so with similar power outputs (they both put the same power to the wheel), the DCT and gearing put the C8 ahead slightly.

The M2 looks significantly better, has a better interior (imo), and much better list of standard features for the $ compared to the C8. A similarly equipped Stingray would be near $100k when you include Z51 pkg, 3LT interior pkg, etc. And you can't get carbon roof, buckets, or carbon ceramic brakes on the Stingray.

You can option carbon ceramic brakes on the M2?

[Squidget]

BTW, have they made any progress on the roof leakage problem on the C8 yet?

[Squidget]

Originally Posted by robopp

You can option carbon ceramic brakes on the M2?

I'm pretty sure there are no ceramics for the base G87. (I assume the upcoming CS will have that option.)

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by Squidget

Is that really true? My intuition says it can't be THAT unique, especially now that it's a more euro-y mid engine layout.

But hmm, I also can't really come up with a clean cross-shop either. There are high power 2 seater mid-engine cars, but they tend to be very expensive supercars, mid 6 figures and up. Koenigsegg, niche stuff like that.

Huh. Yeah. I can't argue the point.

Base price $65k, 2-seat mid-engine sports car with 500 hp. There is nothing else in that segment. Even the Z06 with a base price of $110k for a 1LZ "stripper", and 670 hp NA, nothing else competes.

Where GM lost their marbles, imo, is they started following the Porsche option pricing model, so a Stingray fully optioned is $110k, and a Z06 fully optioned is almost $190K. The $190k is still a $65k SR at it's core. They even charge more for the same pkgs on the Z06 compared to the SR & they're identical pkgs.

I love over there when people say "don't own a BMW out of warranty...", which is now true with the C8. They are still having issues with the DCT 5 model years in & it can't be repaired. GM calls for a full replacement, won't let their dealers touch it. A new DCT with install is almost $20k. You may see a huge dump of C8s to used car lots when their 5/60 powertrain runs out.

Originally Posted by robopp

You can option carbon ceramic brakes on the M2?

My mistake, I was shopping M3/4s when I decided on the M2.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Not sure how these two cars could ever be compared to each other. But it was still fun to see their times.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by Kevin_The_Clean1

Not sure how these two cars could ever be compared to each other. But it was still fun to see their times.

The second run 1/4 trap was a damn close race.

[mrdudley]

Let’s also not forget the absurd dealer markup to get the C8

[Bumpinjeep]

That just shows the beauty of being able to put down power by having more weight over the rear axle with massive tires. Did you know the C8 runs a 11.2 @ 122 while the G87 runs a 11.7 @ 122? Meaning once you get up to speed, the G87 is faster. There's a member on here who has both of these cars and tracks them, he's faster in the M2.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

That just shows the beauty of being able to put down power by having more weight over the rear axle with massive tires. Did you know the C8 runs a 11.2 @ 122 while the G87 runs a 11.7 @ 122? Meaning once you get up to speed, the G87 is faster. There's a member on here who has both of these cars and tracks them, he's faster in the M2.

yeah they messed up by not doing a rolling race like the carwow guys do

[MisanoblueZ4]

If the M2 gets xdrive one day, that launch would equal out and negate the C8 advantage.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by mrdudley

Let’s also not forget the absurd dealer markup to get the C8

Stingrays can be had at MSRP or some are available at discounts now. They've built over 100k of them already, they're not hard to get. Even the ADMs on the Z06 have been slashed dramatically, and there are some being found for MSRP on dealer lots. Just have to put in some work to find them.

But you have those that are still on waiting lists at "the big 3" dealers after 3 years because those dealers guarantee msrp. Problem is those 3 dealers only sell 10% of all Corvettes sold, and msrp keeps going up (about $10k so far). So by the time these people actually get a car, if they get a car, they'll end up paying a good chunk more anyway.

[ourlee]

For what it’s worth, I cross shopped the C8. My 2 test drives were awesome. The problem isn’t the ride, it’s the scary breakdowns, it’s gonna make young owners cry in the second hand market. Don’t let your youngsters buy $50k C8s (pro tip)
My “base” convertible build rings up over $85k

[MineralGreyMetallic]

I think G87 vs C8 is a fairly reasonable comparison. The cars traditionally don't target the same market, but from a performance and package perspective I'd say they do.

I considered one before the G87 came out, and rented a Stringray for the weekend. It was a ton of fun, felt like a rocket ship.

The best way I can articulate the experience with the car is that it didn't feel very refined. It felt like a big engine in a box.

I also fell out of love with the look of it. I still prefer the look of the C7. Unlike the M2 which I've grown to prefer the G87.

[Dingakasteve]

I rented a C8 for a vacation when I owned my 1LE, I liked my Camaro much more. Problem with the C8 is you need 2LT to have the options like the rear view mirror camera. But the 1LT was fine, but while waiting for the vacation where I had the C8 as a rental, I traded 1LE in for my G87. So I was able to drive them back to back. For me, the M2 hands down is a better daily. You can see out of it, which is pretty neat, and I suspect I’ll enjoy it much more on the track.

[DailyDownshift]

Originally Posted by SpeedyATL

Not all that surprising but still interesting I guess....

Pretty shocked by this result. I owned the C8 for a year and the M2 is definitely the faster car. The launch went as expected, but then the M2 caught up. Then it proceeded to get obliterated in the U turn? Really don't understand why the C8 had a 5 car length lead coming out of that U turn when they entered at roughly the same time. Just plain weird.

[iifymbro]

Originally Posted by Daily Downshift

Pretty shocked by this result. I owned the C8 for a year and the M2 is definitely the faster car. The launch went as expected, but then the M2 caught up. Then it proceeded to get obliterated in the U turn? Really don't understand why the C8 had a 5 car length lead coming out of that U turn when they entered at roughly the same time. Just plain weird.

I wouldn't read too far into it, could just be the driver not knowing where the limit of grip is or the line they took adding distance traveled. Just a silly fun "race"