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After a full season of running at stock power, the M2 finally gets unrestricted with help from our partners at @VPRacingFuel and @AMSPerformance. We also work on optimizing the handling balance of the car with some new @EibachUS springs!

[ScottyRyan2019]

672 with an unlocked ECU/tune, down pipes, filters, and gas? Impressive.

[Tag]

Originally Posted by ScottyRyan2019

672 with an unlocked ECU/tune, down pipes, filters, and gas? Impressive.

And that was only stage 1.

[Rockothedog]

Nice! No desire to run E or Meth to get to 650-700whp.

[JMcLellan]

Originally Posted by Tag

And that was only stage 1.

Jeez. How much difference in gains is there with that race gas compared to 91/93 pump gas?

Edit: nevermind, it shows numbers for 93 in the video.

[ScottyRyan2019]

Originally Posted by Tag

And that was only stage 1.

Having come from the Mustang world I have an idea of what it costs to boost a Gen 3 Coyote to 675* WHP. What would the cost to do this be? 4K??

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

These are excellent numbers. Looking forward to seeing & hearing this M2 back on a track soon!

[M2siast]

Love seeing modifications.

But I don’t know what they were smoking lol redefining terms is the name of the game.

Since when did Stage 2 become Stage 1… car has bolt-ons, aggressive tuning, race fuel, but “it’s stage 1”. They’ll quickly find out their “Stage 2” is just a refined tune with another 10hp… or maybe stage 2 is an LS swap or a big turbo.

Good stuff nonetheless, impressive what fuel can do when timing is advanced.

[GOLFFRR]

beast to say the least!

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Love seeing modifications.

But I don’t know what they were smoking lol redefining terms is the name of the game.

Since when did Stage 2 become Stage 1… car has bolt-ons, aggressive tuning, race fuel, but “it’s stage 1”. They’ll quickly find out their “Stage 2” is just a refined tune with another 10hp… or maybe stage 2 is an LS swap or a big turbo.

Good stuff nonetheless, impressive what fuel can do when timing is advanced.

Stage 2 would be e85/w flex fuel kit and most guys with that are making like 720-740whp

[curtdragon]

Originally Posted by ScottyRyan2019

672 with an unlocked ECU/tune, down pipes, filters, and gas? Impressive.

Typical numbers for the S58

Originally Posted by Rockothedog

Nice! No desire to run E or Meth to get to 650-700whp.

I don't see why you wouldn't want to use E. It's so much more cost effective than buying race fuel. Which also is harder to get.

Originally Posted by JMcLellan

Jeez. How much difference in gains is there with that race gas compared to 91/93 pump gas?

Edit: nevermind, it shows numbers for 93 in the video.

They made 535 on 93.
104 race fuel is 672

Originally Posted by ScottyRyan2019

Having come from the Mustang world I have an idea of what it costs to boost a Gen 3 Coyote to 675* WHP. What would the cost to do this be? 4K??

Depends but it's a pain because the ecu is locked hard so it's like $2k to get unlocked then another $1k for a tune and $1k for downpipe. So yeah around $5-7k with a custom tune and Ethanol hardware

Originally Posted by M2siast

Love seeing modifications.

But I don’t know what they were smoking lol redefining terms is the name of the game.

Since when did Stage 2 become Stage 1… car has bolt-ons, aggressive tuning, race fuel, but “it’s stage 1”. They’ll quickly find out their “Stage 2” is just a refined tune with another 10hp… or maybe stage 2 is an LS swap or a big turbo.

Good stuff nonetheless, impressive what fuel can do when timing is advanced.

I think it's common around Euro cars that a downpipe makes it stage 2. Beyond that it's kind of whatever lol. Like stage 1 is any boltons besides downpipe and turbo with a tune. Some say stage 1+ is when you add ethanol. Stage 2 then is adding the downpipe and then 3 is hybrid or larger and some say 4 is full frame turbo.

Originally Posted by Tag

And that was only stage 1.

It's actually stage 2. They have a downpipe.


This is an S58. Been tried and true to make monster power with a tune and downpipe with E40.
500+ with pump gas and 6-700+ with e40.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Stage 2 would be e85/w flex fuel kit and most guys with that are making like 720-740whp

Well haven’t you kept track of changing definitions lol I haven’t, and this is changing and new. Never heard of that.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Love seeing modifications.

But I don’t know what they were smoking lol redefining terms is the name of the game.

Since when did Stage 2 become Stage 1… car has bolt-ons, aggressive tuning, race fuel, but “it’s stage 1”. They’ll quickly find out their “Stage 2” is just a refined tune with another 10hp… or maybe stage 2 is an LS swap or a big turbo.

Good stuff nonetheless, impressive what fuel can do when timing is advanced.

Wasnt gonna bring it up but since you did, agree.

Big turbo with E would be stage 3.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Well haven’t you kept track of changing definitions lol I haven’t, and this is changing and new. Never heard of that.

It’s all bullshit to be honest.

My interpretation is

Stage 1: tune down pipes 91-93

Stage 2: hot tune* dp and fueling upgrades

Stage 3: all of the above + turbos

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Stage 2 would be e85/w flex fuel kit and most guys with that are making like 720-740whp

No, not true. If running a "flex" fuel (some blend of E) on stock fuel system of the BM3 add on, that is still stage 2 (the BM3 bolt on is not upgradingthe fuel system). If you run full E85 and dont upgrade for it, you will have a mess on your hands.

Big turbo, E85, fuel system, pumps, rail, port injectors, manifold, etc would be stage 3.

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

No, not true. If running a "flex" fuel (some blend of E) on stock fuel system of the BM3 add on, that is still stage 2 (the BM3 bolt on is not upgradingthe fuel system). If you run full E85 and dont upgrade for it, you will have a mess on your hands.

Big turbo, E85, fuel system, pumps, rail, port injectors, manifold, etc would be stage 3.

Is that not what I said?

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by curtdragon

Typical numbers for the S58

I don't see why you wouldn't want to use E. It's so much more cost effective than buying race fuel. Which also is harder to get.

They made 535 on 93.
104 race fuel is 672

Depends but it's a pain because the ecu is locked hard so it's like $2k to get unlocked then another $1k for a tune and $1k for downpipe. So yeah around $5-7k with a custom tune and Ethanol hardware

I think it's common around Euro cars that a downpipe makes it stage 2. Beyond that it's kind of whatever lol. Like stage 1 is any boltons besides downpipe and turbo with a tune. Some say stage 1+ is when you add ethanol. Stage 2 then is adding the downpipe and then 3 is hybrid or larger and some say 4 is full frame turbo.

It's actually stage 2. They have a downpipe.


This is an S58. Been tried and true to make monster power with a tune and downpipe with E40.
500+ with pump gas and 6-700+ with e40.

I have stage 2 boltons, tuned for 93, and am over 650whp.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

It’s all bullshit to be honest.

My interpretation is

Stage 1: tune down pipes 91-93

Stage 2: hot tune* dp and fueling upgrades

Stage 3: all of the above + turbos

I agree, “stages” are by definition vague.

But to my knowledge a stage 1 car only had a tune and perhaps some bolt ons to support the increased heat (like larger intercoolers).

Stage 2 is all bolt ons including down pipe (by definition, the car in the OP)

Above that I don’t even know, but if you swap turbos and swap internals, is it even stage 2 anymore.

And if stage 1 requires all of those in the OP, what do we call a tune with air intake and exhaust now? Stage 0?

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by M2siast

I agree, “stages” are by definition vague.

But to my knowledge a stage 1 car only had a tune and perhaps some bolt ons to support the increased heat (like larger intercoolers).

Stage 2 is all bolt ons including down pipe (by definition, the car in the OP)

Above that I don’t even know, but if you swap turbos and swap internals, is it even stage 2 anymore.

And if stage 1 requires all of those in the OP, what’s do we call a tune with air intake and exhaust now? Stage 0?

Yeah man if you want to be the difinitive word on the subject be our guest

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Yeah man if you want to be the difinitive word on the subject be our guest

I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. You probably are more in sync with the new lingo than I am.

Continue to call tuned cars stage 0, that’s ok. I’ll continue to call them stage 1. Hope you are happy you won an internet battle you created by disagreeing with someone’s opinion. cheers man

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by M2siast

I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. You probably are more in sync with the new lingo than I am.

Continue to call tuned cars stage 0, that’s ok. I’ll continue to call them stage 1. Hope you are happy you won an internet battle you created by disagreeing with someone’s opinion. cheers man

Haha what?

I just said yours can be the go to?

I have no problem with what you said, it works for me.

Stage 0 would be stock if you ask me.

[M2siast]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Haha what?

I just said yours can be the go to?

I have no problem with what you said, it works for me.

Stage 0 would be stock if you ask me.

That’s not what you said at all, but all good; hey we have more in agreement than in disagreement (perhaps we don’t even disagree at all). Just thought it was interesting they call this Stage 1 but it’s probably some BS to debate over anyway, my car being stage 5 with the decals and snow socks anyway…