[Dav3]

Road tripping the m2 and finally had a good chance to stretch the cars legs to find its limits, mostly empty highways with long curvy roads

But I started noticing that the car is really not very confidence inspiring at a certain speed and while turning in less than moderate curves

I guess the weight, braking power and numb steering plays a role in this but I genuinely have felt more confidence in a lot of heavier cars with less sporty characteristics

Anyone else feel the same? What would fix it? I guess the aero parts and a better geo could help. Weight loss not much of an option, cost/value ratio of it isn’t worth it!

[KindaSortaTerrible]

Coming from a Type R, the M2’s numb steering made me less confident in the turns as well. Takes some getting used to

[JABCAT]

2:07 at VIR stock is pretty good & if you watch the video, they didn't seem to have any issues at high speeds through turns .

https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2117134

[Carefree]

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[Dav3]

Yawn, here come the self proclaimed professional drivers

I have driven over half a mil kms on over 100 different sports cars form three different decades

Weight is definitely a issue at high speed

[gondolafanclub]

how would you rate it against the nismo juke

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by gondolafanclub

how would you rate it against the nismo juke

Not going to lie, picked it up for very cheap with very low miles during Covid and it was a fun six months

[Dav3]

Originally Posted by M2siast

And you still feel uncomfortable with the car.
This means a training program WITH this car would help with that.

If you don’t think you could benefit from it, who is claiming to be a professional driver?

I only feel uncomfortable with the car at high speeds, say around above 200kph with somewhat moderate turning

Under that its kinda fine, steering is a bit numb but somewhat precise, above that you really don’t get a lot of feedback though and the braking because of the weight isnt the best.

But my question elaborated better was more about me fishing for feedback from those who have codes GTS EPS or have the full Aero (with aero helping out with high speed cornering and braking)

My comment wasn’t even for you though, more against the other guy providing the typical useless replies just to validate himself

The car is heavy, every other reviewers that isn’t a shill and actually stress tests the car in places like the Nurburgring shares this point of view. I own the car, I’m not bashing on it, but trying to figure out how to improve it. As said originally, a lot of heavier cars handle better at higher speeds, just trying to figure the build direction out

[x622]

Originally Posted by Dav3

I only feel uncomfortable with the car at high speeds, say around above 200kph with somewhat moderate turning

Under that its kinda fine, steering is a bit numb but somewhat precise, above that you really don’t get a lot of feedback though and the braking because of the weight isnt the best.

But my question elaborated better was more about me fishing for feedback from those who have codes GTS EPS or have the full Aero (with aero helping out with high speed cornering and braking)

My comment wasn’t even for you though, more against the other guy providing the typical useless replies just to validate himself

The car is heavy, every other reviewers that isn’t a shill and actually stress tests the car in places like the Nurburgring shares this point of view. I own the car, I’m not bashing on it, but trying to figure out how to improve it. As said originally, a lot of heavier cars handle better at higher speeds, just trying to figure the build direction out

I have the M HAS kit and it's turned all the way down and felt the same thing as you. I've overcooked some corners because I understeer because once you load up the front in say a medium sweeper, once you're out, you're out and there's no more give, you just understeer, and it's a vague feeling. Supposedly the CSL tune on the PS rack will help, but I'm also going to change the alignment and put sway bars on it.

When you do hit the sweet spot and get it to rotate perfectly, it feels great, but otherwise feels pretty soupy. Bushings are probably factor too.

I think this platform has the potential for greatness, but it needs a lot of work, like spherical bushings or a wisefab kit, sways, coils, and a square tire setup.

[x622]

Originally Posted by M2siast

Gotcha. We don’t see those speeds very often, especially turning.
I’m usually on straights doing those speeds and I’m fine with the car.

I was going to say a couple of things could help. One is to check the alignment first. Many cars come out of alignment from factory and that 100% makes the car feel loose at speed (even 120km/h).
Second is potentially installing a lowering suspension. I don’t believe in cosmetic aero pieces, don’t think they’ll help you.

Also, which tire pressures are you running?

I mentioned the driver training because I’ve taken the car on track a few times and I’ve taken the M school and it was helpful to take the car to the limit to understand how it behaves under high speed and high demand.

Do you have the M HAS kit? I actually think it makes the car kinda bouncy and feel under-dampened.

[ourlee]

My advice is watch Jackie build his car

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by Dav3

Yawn, here come the self proclaimed professional drivers

I have driven over half a mil kms on over 100 different sports cars form three different decades

Weight is definitely a issue at high speed

I am nearing 1.5 million miles driving all manner of vehicles. The M2 is pretty well composed and turns well. Not Porsche-well as some claim. The front will push in the corners, but if you enter at the right speed, you can use the throttle to push through.

[aerobod]

The G87 felt very stable at speed when entering a corner and rotated nicely with a bit of trail braking at Area 27, granted only tested to just over 200km/h there. Braking is definitely very good, despite the weight (better than any other current M car with steel brakes, as I drove them on the same track, and better than the Fxx platform cars). The steering is also very precise and confidence inspiring at speed. It doesn’t have the feedback my Caterham gives, but if pushing up using the small wrist muscles instead of pulling down using shoulder muscles, it gives enough feedback for pushing the car hard with confidence.

Tyre pressure (especially front to rear difference) and road surface conditions will obviously be a factor on how stable the car feels near the limit at high speed.

I haven’t seen any high speed cornering complaints from those who have taken the car on the Nurburgring or from people like Jackie Ding, who has lots of high speed cornering experience with the platform.

[micah_675]

The M2 has extremely predictable understeer while high speed cornering. While under that threshold it is extremely responsive.

In short, you don't need to be driving so fast if you aren't sure of your cars abilities.

[aerobod]

Originally Posted by micah_675

The M2 has extremely predictable understeer while high speed cornering. While under that threshold it is extremely responsive.

In short, you don't need to be driving so fast if you aren't sure of your cars abilities.

Yes, I found that predictable understeer on corner entry is easily quelled with a touch of trail braking, without any modifications to the platform. I would say the M4 RWD feels exactly the same and both have a little less understeer than the AWD models, based on my experience of driving them.

[SmokeyandtheBandit]

Originally Posted by Dav3

Yawn, here come the self proclaimed professional drivers

I have driven over half a mil kms on over 100 different sports cars form three different decades

Weight is definitely a issue at high speed

Not always the case. I’m coming from a Camaro ZL1 1LE which weighed 3,837lbs. Took corners just fine at 150mph+

[two_three_two]

only felt this way with chassis and steering in comfort. i personally find the car highly predictable once you have it set up the way you like. for better or for worse modes make a lot of difference here.

[techwhiz1]

As some one that has owned a bunch of BMWs.

The later cars with electric power steering assist is just not going to e the same feedback as a variable speed pump.

It's not the same feel.
I had an E90 and that was the last car with a real power steering pump and everything later feels numb. It's not that it isn't precise but you get almost no feedback from the wheel.

I'm buying a G87 but haven't driven one. I have driven the M3 and M4. They are heavy, but I don't think they feel uncertain through curves.

Now I have a "heavy" car. An i4 M50 weighs in at 5000 lbs.

You have to drive differently. Not to say anyone here can't drive, but you need to learn the car. I know that my i4 doesn't like being upset in curves because the transitions from side to side unsettle the car if you are not smooth.

I know that once settled into a sweeper my M50 will stick like glue and pull 1G in lateral acceleration.

Drive differently.

[x622]

Originally Posted by SmokeyandtheBandit

Not always the case. I’m coming from a Camaro ZL1 1LE which weighed 3,837lbs. Took corners just fine at 150mph+

Which one do you like more?

[SmokeyandtheBandit]

Originally Posted by x622

Which one do you like more?

I’m still waiting on my M2 to be built. I’m well aware this is going to be a very different car. I daily drove the ZL1 for two years. That car was very raw, a track day special. I know the M2 will not feel nor handle anywhere near the ZL1 but I’m not looking for that this time in a daily driver. I did want to point out the fact that the weight is not the sole deciding factor of high speed handling though. The 1LE put down faster lap times at VIR than a GT3RS which only weighs 3131lbs. I’m excited to get the M2 though. It will be a much better well rounded car.

[micah_675]

Originally Posted by SmokeyandtheBandit

I’m still waiting on my M2 to be built. I’m well aware this is going to be a very different car. I daily drove the ZL1 for two years. That car was very raw, a track day special. I know the M2 will not feel nor handle anywhere near the ZL1 but I’m not looking for that this time in a daily driver. I did want to point out the fact that the weight is not the sole deciding factor of high speed handling though. The 1LE put down faster lap times at VIR than a GT3RS which only weighs 3131lbs. I’m excited to get the M2 though. It will be a much better well rounded car.

You know professional lap times are about as useful as saying Jordan wore the shoe you bought. The drivers are professionals and their results are based on prestine conditions when possible. There are so many ways manufactures can 'tweak' to get better times.

Let's get these cars all on the same tires, the same warm up routine, and have the same exact driver for each. Then those times would mean something.

[SmokeyandtheBandit]

Originally Posted by micah_675

You know professional lap times are about as useful as saying Jordan wore the shoe you bought. The drivers are professionals and their results are based on prestine conditions when possible. There are so many ways manufactures can 'tweak' to get better times.

Let's get these cars all on the same tires, the same warm up routine, and have the same exact driver for each. Then those times would mean something.

Absolutely, I understand that. But I also drove that car like I stole it everyday and I’m just stating that weight is not the only factor in handling at high speed.

Originally Posted by Dav3

Yawn, here come the self proclaimed professional drivers

I have driven over half a mil kms on over 100 different sports cars form three different decades

Weight is definitely a issue at high speed