[mike@x-ph.com]

Say goodbye to the annoying squeaks and embarrassing noises that come with stock pads, and enjoy a cleaner look with significantly less brake dust on your wheels.

[Carefree]

Loving my transition to iSweep 1500.
Spend time driving not cleaning.

YMMV

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Carefree

Loving my transition to iSweep 1500.
Spend time driving not cleaning.

YMMV

ok?

[Sleeper]

^^Random.

On topic, I ordered a set of the reds from XPH yesterday and they shipped today. I like the bite and feel of the stock pads, but like everyone, the orange dust coating after a few stops on my black 827M’s is next level.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by Sleeper

^^Random.

On topic, I ordered a set of the reds from XPH yesterday and they shipped today. I like the bite and feel of the stock pads, but like everyone, the orange dust coating after a few stops on my black 827M’s is next level.

Looking forward for your feedback

[MG20i]

What is the difference between the EBC Reds and the iSweep 1500s? Does one bite harder on initial contact? I know both dust less than stock so I imagine it is a wash in that department.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by MG20i

What is the difference between the IBC Reds and the iSweep 1500s? Does one bite harder on initial contact? I know both dust less than stock so I imagine it is a wash in that department.

The video focuses on comparing stock brakes with EBC Red pads; it doesn't mention competition brakes. I'd prefer to keep the discussion on this topic and not derail the thread. There are already plenty of threads discussing EBC, Isweep, and other brands.

[MG20i]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

The video focuses on comparing stock brakes with EBC Red pads; it doesn't mention competition brakes. I'd prefer to keep the discussion on this topic and not derail the thread. There are already plenty of threads discussing EBC, Isweep, and other brands.

Ah, alright.

[Sleeper]

Installed the EBC Red pads front/rear today.

Using BimmerLink to activate service mode for the e-brake made it a 2 minute job per side for the rears. It took me more time getting the car in the air than swapping pads.

The fronts were a different story. EBC's front pad height is millimeters taller than stock and what the Brembo calipers will accept. They *could* be jammed in with a lot of force and a rubber mallet, but that seems like an extremely bad idea to have a significant friction point for the pad movement on the top of the bottom where it interfaces with the caliper when you're relying on that movement to allow the pistons to push the pads into the rotors.

To play it safe, I needed to use a grinder to carefully shave off a few mm's from the top and bottom of the pad surround to allow it to seat into the caliper properly without having to jam it in. See the yellow boxed area in the attached photo for the area top/bottom that needed to be shaved down. By creating this extra room, it also allowed the retaining pins to be inserted freely as otherwise, the pads were so jammed there was no movement to allow the pins to go through.

So that's my install feedback - for what they cost, it should be plug and play, and not a project. Really not impressed with EBC for that alone and wouldn't recommend them based on my experience. Not sure if I got a bad set, but it seems unusual as all 4 front pads had the same interference issue so I'm going to conclude EBC's measurements are a touch off for the G87 M2 calipers.

I have yet to bed them in and get some feel/bite/dust feedback, but that'll be next.

[TallGibbs]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

The video focuses on comparing stock brakes with EBC Red pads; it doesn't mention competition brakes. I'd prefer to keep the discussion on this topic and not derail the thread. There are already plenty of threads discussing EBC, Isweep, and other brands.

Hey Mike: are the SAE J866 test results available for these pads? Curious to know how the cold and hot temp friction rates compared to the OEM Akebono (or Pagid) pads (which are GG rated). The video says "the EBC red pads have the same stopping power as the OEM pads." What data is available to verify that? Is that based on SAE J866 or by the ECE R90 equivalency?

It is a great How-To vide for actually doing the pad change out. Just hoping to get some comparison data to go along with it.

[BroDoze]

That’s really not good you had to grind on the pads. Why aren’t they fitting correctly out of the box?

[Sleeper]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

That’s really not good you had to grind on the pads. Why aren’t they fitting correctly out of the box?

The area in the yellow box pictured above is essentially too tall. The same piece is on the bottom of the pads as well.

All 4 front pads had the same issue, and all needed to be shaved down to fit the front calipers. Otherwise, the fit was so tight (ie. the interference between the pad and caliper was so great) that I was worried about braking performance.

I’m not a newb either - have been swapping street and race pads on my cars for years, all 4- or 6-piston big brake kits - so I’m not seeing user error being the issue here. They simply just didn’t fit.

[Carefree]

Originally Posted by Sleeper

Installed the EBC Red pads front/rear today.

Using BimmerLink to activate service mode for the e-brake made it a 2 minute job per side for the rears. It took me more time getting the car in the air than swapping pads.

The fronts were a different story. EBC's front pad height is millimeters taller than stock and what the Brembo calipers will accept. They *could* be jammed in with a lot of force and a rubber mallet, but that seems like an extremely bad idea to have a significant friction point for the pad movement on the top of the bottom where it interfaces with the caliper when you're relying on that movement to allow the pistons to push the pads into the rotors.

To play it safe, I needed to use a grinder to carefully shave off a few mm's from the top and bottom of the pad surround to allow it to seat into the caliper properly without having to jam it in. See the yellow boxed area in the attached photo for the area top/bottom that needed to be shaved down. By creating this extra room, it also allowed the retaining pins to be inserted freely as otherwise, the pads were so jammed there was no movement to allow the pins to go through.

So that's my install feedback - for what they cost, it should be plug and play, and not a project. Really not impressed with EBC for that alone and wouldn't recommend them based on my experience. Not sure if I got a bad set, but it seems unusual as all 4 front pads had the same interference issue so I'm going to conclude EBC's measurements are a touch off for the G87 M2 calipers.

I have yet to bed them in and get [...]

iSweep

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by TallGibbs

Hey Mike: are the SAE J866 test results available for these pads? Curious to know how the cold and hot temp friction rates compared to the OEM Akebono (or Pagid) pads (which are GG rated). The video says "the EBC red pads have the same stopping power as the OEM pads." What data is available to verify that? Is that based on SAE J866 or by the ECE R90 equivalency?

It is a great How-To vide for actually doing the pad change out. Just hoping to get some comparison data to go along with it.

i'll check for the available data but im dont think it's out there. As for the stopping power, you can tell if you install it that its similar to stock in stopping power, dont need any data for that

[TallGibbs]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

i'll check for the available data but im dont think it's out there. As for the stopping power, you can tell if you install it that its similar to stock in stopping power, dont need any data for that

Too many years of being an engineer….ive never “not needed data for that.” 😀. I understand your point completely though….always just nice to see actual test results (“Butt dynos” vs. actual dyno runs for example).

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by TallGibbs

Too many years of being an engineer….ive never “not needed data for that.” 😀. I understand your point completely though….always just nice to see actual test results (“Butt dynos” vs. actual dyno runs for example).

Welcome to the auto mod world

99% of suppliers do not provide data and rely on customers' data instead. Im not saying that the right thing to do, but its expected

[86zccrx]

The back of the reds appear to be stamped with "GG" as seen in the video posted here: https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2107900
If that's true, it may be a worthwhile trade-off vs the isweeps which produce less dust, but have a lower rating(from the diagrams they list on their site).

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by 86zccrx

The back of the reds appear to be stamped with "GG" as seen in the video posted here: https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=2107900
If that's true, it may be a worthwhile trade-off vs the isweeps which produce less dust, but have a lower rating(from the diagrams they list on their site).

I didn't see the GG on the back of the reds

[86zccrx]

maybe it's just a coincidence that GG is in this picture and it's a part number or something? I'm not sure if it would be identified in a different way if it was the friction rating.

[BroDoze]

^^ Are those even M2 pads? Often times they use just a stock photo for all different kinds of pads.

[86zccrx]

Good question, I'm not sure if it's just a stock photo. The video on the G80 post before looked to have the same stamping.

[Sleeper]

Front pads I received and installed.