[aerobod]

It looks like Cobb will have to pay about $35 in fines for every tuning product they have sold in the US that circumvented emission controls: https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a6...efeat-devices/

Effectively the $2.9m fine will probably be close to their previous profits.

I wonder which tuning company(s) will be targeted next?

[BroDoze]

Holy cow. This is huge.

They made an example out of COBB.
This will have disastrous effects across the industry. Burger and so many others will be next and will be dumbing down their JB4s etc. I bet a lot of tuning/dyno shops will have to close. Catless DPs may get pulled. Dang. Sad day.

Elections have consequences. The Left destroys everything it touches.

[Montaver]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

Holy cow. This is huge.

They made an example out of COBB.
This will have disastrous effects across the industry. Burger and so many others will be next and will be dumbing down their JB4s etc. I bet a lot of tuning/dyno shops will have to close. Catless DPs may get pulled. Dang. Sad day.

Elections have consequences. The Left destroys everything it touches.

It was the diesel tuners and ‘rolling coal’ idiots that attracted the EPA to look at engine tuners in the first place, Cobb just seem to be a casualty of that.

[BroDoze]

Originally Posted by Montaver

It was the diesel tuners and ‘rolling coal’ idiots that attracted the EPA to look at engine tuners in the first place, Cobb just seem to be a casualty of that.

Because nobody at the EPA knew about catless down pipes and engine tuners outside of the diesel tuning community. Right. Don’t be dumb.

[reallymarkedup]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

Holy cow. This is huge.

They made an example out of COBB.
This will have disastrous effects across the industry. Burger and so many others will be next and will be dumbing down their JB4s etc. I bet a lot of tuning/dyno shops will have to close. Catless DPs may get pulled. Dang. Sad day.

Elections have consequences. The Left destroys everything it touches.

https://g87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...4#post31470534

[Montaver]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

Because nobody at the EPA knew about catless down pipes and engine tuners outside of the diesel tuning community. Right. Don’t be dumb.

Educate yourself on how this all started

[two_three_two]

Originally Posted by BroDoze

Because nobody at the EPA knew about catless down pipes and engine tuners outside of the diesel tuning community. Right. Don’t be dumb.

all he is saying is that this started with diesel emission defeat devices and then the EPA probably went "huh, bet this is happening a lot with tuner cars too" and presto, here we are

https://www.autoblog.com/features/go...-emissions-dpf

https://cdllife.com/2024/epa-issues-...diesel-trucks/

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...efeat-devices/

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by two_three_two

all he is saying is that this started with diesel emission defeat devices and then the EPA probably went "huh, bet this is happening a lot with tuner cars too" and presto, here we are

https://www.autoblog.com/features/go...-emissions-dpf

https://cdllife.com/2024/epa-issues-...diesel-trucks/

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a4...efeat-devices/

This has been an ongoing issue for years (not with Cobb but across the tuning community ).

[Montaver]

This started in 2014 with the rolling coal clown show, the EPA started handing out fines in 2017 and have continued since then. The rolling coal stuff is up there with highway shut downs for ‘racing’ and people getting run over at car meets levels of stupidity. A group of obnoxious idiots that like to ruin things for everyone else, a tale as old as time.

[matty_f]

I know this won’t be a popular opinion, but I see a silver lining here if it forces tuners to get CARB compliance.

[NickyF25]

Originally Posted by M_Power Rob

This has been an ongoing issue for years (not with Cobb but across the tuning community ).

Yep….this was actually old news that just got released to the public earlier this week.

[M_Power Rob]

Originally Posted by matty_f

I know this won’t be a popular opinion, but I see a silver lining here if it forces tuners to get CARB compliance.

Nope, won't have any affect. You see it as a silver lining (if it was)? May check out the i4 forums.

[DrewNewM2]

Saw this from Cobb on Reddit:


COBBtuning
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3d ago
“Nothing changes with this announcement. As we mentioned, all required changes have been made and have been in place for quite some time. We never offered calibrations for catless configurations and we no longer offer some maps that included support for upgraded (catted) downpipes/j-pipes. Our software updates back in April of 2022 removed the ability to disable certain emissions related DTCs.

Yes, you can update your Accessport firmware. No, it will not render your current map files unusable. No, we will not be implementing anything like that in the future.”


I have a 2020 STi with Cobb Next Gen Flex kit, catted downpipe, FP green turbo, big fuel pump and injectors and bunch of other mods and it’s protuned, kept all emissions in place and it passes inspection.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by matty_f

I know this won’t be a popular opinion, but I see a silver lining here if it forces tuners to get CARB compliance.

I think it's also has a silver lining.

My previous N54 335i with Cobb on map 1 was carb compliment. So not all Cobb AP and all maps were in violation.

[Dave07997S]

It wasn't just Cobb,a bunch of Ford tuners got nailed by the EPA. Particularly Lund Tuning.

[97supratt]

Originally Posted by matty_f

I know this won’t be a popular opinion, but I see a silver lining here if it forces tuners to get CARB compliance.

Not possible. Unless you keep the cats plus all your original intake parts and pay a hefty fee to be compliant.

[IanH]

This isn't gonna have any effect on JB4 use. (Directed at the person who said it would)

This is about emissions tampering not increasing power. They are not tied to one another.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by IanH

This isn't gonna have any effect on JB4 use. (Directed at the person who said it would)

This is about emissions tampering not increasing power. They are not tied to one another.

Actually they are.

Any modification to the ECU software without running a full cycle to certify that emissions are still compliant violate the law.

Piggybacks that increase power that don't go through verification are no different.

[IanH]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

Actually they are.

Any modification to the ECU software without running a full cycle to certify that emissions are still compliant violate the law.

Piggybacks that increase power that don't go through verification are no different.

There is no modification to the ecu software with jb4, Mr ackshually. There is no interaction between the jb4 and the emissions system whatsoever.

Maybe educate yourself before snarking.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by IanH

There is no modification to the ecu software with jb4, Mr ackshually. There is no interaction between the jb4 and the emissions system whatsoever.

Maybe educate yourself before snarking.

JB4 intercepts and modifies signals from sensors going to/from the ECU.

https://burgertuning.com/pages/faq

Modifying those signals in turn potentially modifies boost targets, fueling, ignition timing, intake MAF values and duration of all of the above.

Anything fueling, intake, ignition, fuel filler, evap canister, downpipe, etc are considered ignition related.

Maybe you should educate yourself how a "piggyback works".

You should see -
https://burgertuning.com/pages/emiss...eI21zDf7oGuCQ7


I just have two degrees in electrical engineering. Thank you

[IanH]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

JB4 intercepts and modifies signals from sensors going to/from the ECU.

https://burgertuning.com/pages/faq

Modifying those signals in turn potentially modifies boost targets, fueling, ignition timing, intake MAF values and duration of all of the above.

Anything fueling, intake, ignition, fuel filler, evap canister, downpipe, etc are considered ignition related.

Maybe you should educate yourself how a "piggyback works".

You should see -
https://burgertuning.com/pages/emiss...eI21zDf7oGuCQ7


I just have two degrees in electrical engineering. Thank you

Moving goal posts. Classic.

2 degrees in electrical engineering and you still cant navigate to the product page where burger sell CARB legal and certified JB4's

The page you linked to is from years ago just isnt taken down because they still sell the other ones and they sell intakes that arent CARB certified.

Back to the original point, the EPA is targeting tuners/products/tunes that modify emissions readiness systems. JB4 doesnt do that.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by IanH

Moving goal posts. Classic.

2 degrees in electrical engineering and you still cant navigate to the product page where burger sell CARB legal and certified JB4's

The page you linked to is from years ago just isnt taken down because they still sell the other ones and they sell intakes that arent CARB certified.

Back to the original point, the EPA is targeting tuners/products/tunes that modify emissions readiness systems. JB4 doesnt do that.

The product page FAQ is still what they post and is linked directly from the JB4 product page so, yeah with two degrees in electrical engineering I do know how to navigate a website.

The other page is active and describes why they don't sell items in Ca.

Once again, they may not modify the readiness, but they do change emissions parameters. You can't possibly be that obtuse, but maybe you are.

No a piggy back won't modify the flash directly but the name itself tells what it does it intercepts signals and modifies them to fool the ECU into delivering more fuel, raising the boost, etc. Those changes cause the engine to run outside the emissions parameters that the car was tested under. That's exactly why others have gotten the ire of the EPA.

They haven't gotten in trouble outside of Ca because other places don't have an Air Resources board and strict environmental laws.

But stop claiming the a JB4 is benign because it's not.