[chsbmw]

I’m in a massive dilemma. Can pick up a low mileage 991.1 S manual for the price of a brand new M2. Does the specialness of the Porsche justify passing on a brand new M2 with the latest tech, warranty etc? I saw the thread on here comparing to a 991.2 but the .2 with low miles (under 30K) are going for loaded G82 prices. This won’t be a daily driver - max 5K miles a year. Anyone owned both? Thanks.

[ednir98]

230,000 991 cars were produced in total, what makes it so special?

[Bumpinjeep]

Drive both, if you like the 991 more than the G87, ask yourself if you really love it and if buying a used car at a super high price is worth it to you. I don't really think there's a wrong answer here. I think for most of us, we'd buy a new G87 over a 10+ year old 911.

[Squidget]

Without knowing you or what you like, my handwave answer is pretty simple.

If you are on the fence, if it's even close, you take the car that still has warranties. Full stop.

[laughMan]

what is the spec of 991.1 S? How many mileage on it? How many previous owners?

I had a 991.1 S and sold it back in 2018, before the pandemic!

I regretted that decision everyday! But I cannot make myself pay more than I sold for to buy it back!!!!

Both are 2+2 RWD, but these 2 cars drive very differently! The 991.1 NA engine is really smooth, the car is always calm. You don't feel any drama, yet you may be in triple digit already.
You may find it boring, which I did sometimes. It is so planted, a do-everything-GT sport car.

The M2 with S58 turbo engine is a muscle car in comparison. The massive low end torque in the M2 can be so much fun, which the NA engine in 991 cannot match.

In handling, the 991.1 (most modern 911, 718, etc) are a precision tool, and M2 is not as precision and can be a handful when you not careful with the massive torque. Both are very capable, but feel differently.

Style wise, I love that classics 911 shape, there is no bad angle on this car. The M2, however, it is a compromise I made personally for its value in performance.

Both can be a good DD, is resale value important to you? is repair cost/maintenance cost important to you? Warranty on new car? Those are the other factor to think about.

I made this same decision a year ago, P car or M2? I went with M2 because I owned Pcar before, and I also always wanted to own a M car.

If I hadn't own any 911 before, I probably would went with a 911. It is more of a sport car icon than M2.

Just my 2cents.

[BRAKE!]

I hope you asked this same question on Rennlist... I have a Porsche (albeit a GT4), but it definitely gives you a more sports car experience than a G8X. Another great thing about 991.1 is their NA engine with an amazing exhaust sound that you can't get w/ a .2

Keep in mind, the 911 will feel way more dated in the interior, slower compared to the G87 (but may feel faster because it's not as insulated), and possibly less exciting visually (if you get a bland color/spec).

The other thing about Porsches are that they are a lot more expensive to maintain than a bimmer. Although the upfront cost may be the same, 911 will come with a Pcar tax on every consumable item and maintenance. You need to factor in ownership costs if you want to truly enjoy it. Having said that, a nicely specced 911 will always feel special to look at and drive no matter its age.

Personally, if you're buying this as a weekend car I would get the 911. You don't need or care about all the tech when you're driving your sports car spiritedly or at 10/10th on track. If you're planning on doing more than that like taking long road trips, using it more frequently than you intend to, using it all season, take kids in the back seat, etc. then it's no brainer you should get the M2.

[MorganM]

Get the Porsche for 5000miles a year. I don't know why I'm the first to just say it. You don't need warranty or cheaper consumables. You can afford the P car tax. If you want something else at any point you won't take a bath selling it.. you will with the m car... That's the new car tax.. 911 is so good looking sounds pretty good and you won't be bored driving it..

[wb8164]

I'd say that as long as the 991.1S is a clean example with the stated low miles, I'd jump on it. You're getting a N/A flat 6 and an excellent chassis. The 991.1 isn't a small car per se, but it drives small. I would definitely drive the 991.1 and then go from there.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by wb8164

I'd say thatas long as the 991.1S is a clean example with the stated low miles, I'd jump on it. You're getting a N/A flat 6 and an excellent chassis. The 991.1 isn't a small car per se, but it drives small. I would definitely drive the 991.1 and then go from there.

I don’t think people realize how small the 911 really is despite growing over the years. It makes the G87 look huge.


I think if you really like tech, having a modern G87 will be more your cup of tea. If you want something more pure, the 991 will be refreshing. I personally would go 911 if it’s all sorted out and you feel it’s a good price.

[rezok]

Had a 991.1 and currently a ZB G87 M2.

I'm starting to look at 992s now....

The M2 is an AWESOME car, the best "new" car I've had, but I miss the sound of the NA engine and the Porsche experience.

I will get a 992 in due course, for now loving the M2.

Your choice - drive both and see what you like!

[two_three_two]

if you even have to ask.... get the M2. if you feel viscerally in your gut you will look at the M2 every single day and wish it was a 911, then you are a P car guy. no amount of P car tax on parts will make you regret your decision.

but if there is even a shadow of a doubt that you absolutely, positively must have the 911- just get the M2.

[Ronin76]

When I was looking at 911s I only looked at .2 (2017 or newer) because I didn’t want to take a chance with possible bore scoring with the 991.1. Not saying one will experience this but I was not wanting to take a chance…also I love the look of the .2.

[chsbmw]

Originally Posted by laughMan

what is the spec of 991.1 S? How many mileage on it? How many previous owners?

I had a 991.1 S and sold it back in 2018, before the pandemic!

I regretted that decision everyday! But I cannot make myself pay more than I sold for to buy it back!!!!

Both are 2+2 RWD, but these 2 cars drive very differently! The 991.1 NA engine is really smooth, the car is always calm. You don't feel any drama, yet you may be in triple digit already.
You may find it boring, which I did sometimes. It is so planted, a do-everything-GT sport car.

The M2 with S58 turbo engine is a muscle car in comparison. The massive low end torque in the M2 can be so much fun, which the NA engine in 991 cannot match.

In handling, the 991.1 (most modern 911, 718, etc) are a precision tool, and M2 is not as precision and can be a handful when you not careful with the massive torque. Both are very capable, but feel differently.

Style wise, I love that classics 911 shape, there is no bad angle on this car. The M2, however, it is a compromise I made personally for its value in performance.

Both can be a good DD, is resale value important to you? is repair cost/maintenance cost important to you? Warranty on new car? Those are the other factor to think about.

I made this same decision a year ago, P car or M2? I went with M2 because I owned Pcar before, and I also always wanted to own a M car.

If I hadn't own any 911 before, I probably would went with a 911. It is more of a sport car icon than M2.

Just my 2cents.

This is great thanks. Never owned a P-car before - one of the enticing aspects. Spec highlights 30K miles, manual, sc, pdcc, pasm, pdls, se. Also comes with a transferable fidelity warranty. Resale is important in a sense that I don’t want the worry of “omg I put 200 miles on it this weekend, did I just depreciate the car by $x?”. Def not looking for a collector car.

I haven’t driven an M2 yet which I hope to accomplish this weekend. I would likely spec it twilight purple or voodoo blue, cf roof, buckets and silver wheels. Oh and manual transmission.

[laughMan]

Originally Posted by chsbmw

This is great thanks. Never owned a P-car before - one of the enticing aspects. Spec highlights 30K miles, manual, sc, pdcc, pasm, pdls, se. Also comes with a transferable fidelity warranty. Resale is important in a sense that I don’t want the worry of “omg I put 200 miles on it this weekend, did I just depreciate the car by $x?”. Def not looking for a collector car.

I haven’t driven an M2 yet which I hope to accomplish this weekend. I would likely spec it twilight purple or voodoo blue, cf roof, buckets and silver wheels. Oh and manual transmission.

in that case, definitely the 911.1! Transferable warranty and no new car depreciation to worry about, best of both worlds!

[DSTR]

Originally Posted by rezok

Your choice - drive both and see what you like!

For those who come here to ask what to buy vs another car etc - the best response is above!

[RockCrusher]

Originally Posted by chsbmw

I’m in a massive dilemma. Can pick up a low mileage 991.1 S manual for the price of a brand new M2. Does the specialness of the Porsche justify passing on a brand new M2 with the latest tech, warranty etc? I saw the thread on here comparing to a 991.2 but the .2 with low miles (under 30K) are going for loaded G82 prices. This won’t be a daily driver - max 5K miles a year. Anyone owned both? Thanks.

Owned a (used) 2003 996 Turbo (6-speed) from June 2009 to December 2017. Put 150K miles on the car. (Bought it with <10K miles on it.)

Awesome car.

Since April 2023 have owned a M2 (6-speed). Have put just over 10K miles on it.

Awesome car.

But they are different cars for obvious reasons.

The 2011 991.1 cost around $85K when new. While you will pay less for a good albeit used example the car's service costs will be that of a $85K car not the lower amount you paid for the car.

That is the 2003 Turbo cost $119K when new. I bought it for $57.7K. Its servicing costs were not comparable to a $60K car but to well like a $120K car.

I owned a 2002 Boxster at the same time I owned the Turbo. The Turbo servicing costs were always higher/more than the Boxster's servicing costs. Turbo parts cost more. The Turbo was as one tech who worked on both my cars put it "fiddly" and even say plug services (both engines were flat 6's and had 6 plugs) cost more for the Turbo. (The exhaust system had to be dropped to gain proper access to the Turbo plugs.)

But at 5K miles per year you won't be servicing the 991.1 as often I as I had to service the Turbo when I was on average putting 17.5K miles on the car per year.

Keep in mind the 991.1 spans the years 2011 to 2015. Even the youngest 991.1 is going on 9 years old. At some point cars start to experience problems due to age even if the miles it has covered are relatively low.

(At "just" 6 years old my low mile 996 Turbo manifested problems -- seal leaks -- that were I believe due to age and low miles/lack of use the original owner gave the car.)

You should get insurance quotes for both a representative 991.1 and a M2 just so there are no surprises when you go to insure whichever car you end up buying.

Ok. Enough blah blah blah. But which car to buy?

Sorry but I have no crystal ball. Best response I have (and I am not the only one to offer this) is really only you can choose, only you should choose.

Oh, I will point out that you can pick up a nice example of a 991.1 and drive it a few years then when used M2s are more plentiful (maybe...) then switch from the Porsche to the M2.

Or if you find you don't like the 991.1 (hey it could happen...) then flip it for a new/used M2.

[mike@x-ph.com]

M2 for me.

unless its a a turbo or GT3, Porsche are overpriced in my opinion

[fzr100098]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

M2 for me.

unless its a a turbo or GT3, Porsche are overpriced in my opinion

Agree - the new 911 is impressive but crazy overpriced, and used GT3s are even more insane

There are tons of them on the road and don't stand out at all. I thought about an Emira but that is also overpriced

For the P klub people - it helps a add a year, I have no idea what 991.1.2 or whatever means, just say "2012 911 with x miles" or similar - thanks

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by fzr100098

Agree - the new 911 is impressive but crazy overpriced, and used GT3s are even more insane

There are tons of them on the road and don't stand out at all. I thought about an Emira but that is also overpriced

For the P klub people - it helps a add a year, I have no idea what 991.1.2 or whatever means, just say "2012 911 with x miles" or similar - thanks

The interior and technology are my biggest complaints with these cars.

For the price you pay, you get less technology than a regular BMW, not even the M.

I get it with the turbo S and GT3. You get insane power delivery and handling. But with the regular models, it just does not make much sense when you can get a better daily driver, more technology, and the same power for a fraction of the price.

add to it that 99% of people, non-car guys, cant tell the difference between the 992, 991 and 997

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by mike@x-ph.com

M2 for me.

unless its a a turbo or GT3, Porsche are overpriced in my opinion

I used to think that too. You just buy at your price point. There’s a reason why you can’t buy them for cheap. I understand you’re selling horsepower but I’d argue that the M2 starts to exceed its capabilities with too much power in it unless you do a lot more to the suspension. It’s great to say you have 600hp but if you can’t put it down, it’s a waste of money.

[mike@x-ph.com]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I used to think that too. You just buy at your price point. There’s a reason why you can’t buy them for cheap. I understand you’re selling horsepower but I’d argue that the M2 starts to exceed its capabilities with too much power in it unless you do a lot more to the suspension. It’s great to say you have 600hp but if you can’t put it down, it’s a waste of money.

The M4 X-drive, in this case, would be a better option than the 991.1S, in my opinion.

Please note, im not only talking about power but also the daily driving experience with the better technology in the BMW, which makes it more enjoyable, in my opinion.

[fzr100098]

Originally Posted by c1pher

It’s great to say you have 600hp but if you can’t put it down, it’s a waste of money.

From modded G87 reviews I've seen, it puts down 600 rwhp fairly well on the highway, 0-60 forget it, but how many people are drag racing from a stoplight? If it's that important to you wait for the M2 xdrive

$68k for this level of performance is great and looks even better compared to 911 asking prices, plus the parts and maintenance on P cars