[iCARMIX]

For BMW M Series owners looking to enhance their braking performance, the original M Carbon Ceramic Brake system is often in high demand, leading to long wait times for orders. To address this, we have a limited stock of OEM carbon-ceramic brake kits available for the latest G87 M2, G80, G83 M3, and G82 G83 M4 models, allowing for more immediate purchase and shipping.

We're talking about the top-tier braking option for these models, featuring front 6-piston and rear 1-piston calipers in a striking matte gold finish, paired with 400mm front and 380mm rear carbon-ceramic discs. These high-tech discs, made from carbon fiber and silicon carbide, offer significant advantages over traditional cast iron, including greater wear resistance, higher heat tolerance, and reduced weight.

Or at least this is how an ad would sound like, from what I've seen others post hahaha! I do appreciate the brakes though, and 6 pot ceramics? It's gonna be hard to top that out there.

Remember to check this out on my iCARMIX shop:
https://icarmix.com/product/genuine-...m3-g82-g83-m4/

[M_Power Rob]

They actually do not necessarily have greater advantages over oem or aftermarket such as Girodisc. The Carbon ceramic need to heat up (think drag radials in cooler weather) to have any real stopping power. Not really advantageous to those daily driving or using primarily as street driving will

[JABCAT]

I have carbon ceramics on my Z06 and they stop significantly better than the standard Z06 brakes, even when not heated up/just driving around town.
Tests on the Z06 show the CCBs stop 11 ft shorter from 60-0. Don't know what data shows on the M cars.

Are the rear calipers shown above the same calipers we already have, just painted gold?

[techwhiz1]

Carbon ceramics are great and probably will outlast the car if you don't track it.

If you track the car regularly, you need to pull those discs after 5-6 full track days and weight them. CC discs done wear like a regular cast iron disc. They lose mass due to the carbon heating up and bonding with oxygen and outgassing as C02.

Unless you have a sponsor, CCB can get really expensive if you track your car and plenty of folks will swap to iron rotors on the track for that reason.

They look great!

[Carefree]

Important to include Z06 info in this thread despite the lack of comparison data.

Thank you for the contribution.

[rons e92]

Last year this kit was like $13k.

You're asking $16,400 which is actually quite reasonable comparatively speaking. Most retailers list this kid for over $17k now.

What the hell? Why the massive price jump for the exact same parts?

[M2M3M3]

Lol...17k for this....or....400 for a better set of brake pads that will stop the car better.

[Dr Thrillride]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

Carbon ceramics are great and probably will outlast the car if you don't track it.

If you track the car regularly, you need to pull those discs after 5-6 full track days and weight them. CC discs done wear like a regular cast iron disc. They lose mass due to the carbon heating up and bonding with oxygen and outgassing as C02.

Unless you have a sponsor, CCB can get really expensive if you track your car and plenty of folks will swap to iron rotors on the track for that reason.

They look great!

Can you point to a thread with a bonafide track rat and this type of documented negative experience with the CCBs? I’m curious.

[Dr Thrillride]

Originally Posted by M2M3M3

Lol...17k for this....or....400 for a better set of brake pads that will stop the car better.

Are you dreaming?

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by Dr Thrillride

Can you point to a thread with a bonafide track rat and this type of documented negative experience with the CCBs? I’m curious.

I've read countless threads on various forums (Viper, Porsche, Corvette, etc.) from people who track with CCBs exclusively & those who remove the CCBs immediately and replace with steel. I do find it interesting that all these manufacturers equip their track-focused variants with CCBs but then so many claim they're bad for track use. I, personally, wouldn't pay $17k to add them.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by Dr Thrillride

Can you point to a thread with a bonafide track rat and this type of documented negative experience with the CCBs? I’m curious.

I can point to brake manufacturers and servicers of CCB rotors that will indicate the wear patterns.

For the typical person that goes to the track, not big deal and the rotors will last as long as the car.

For those that do a lot of track days, you might see wear you weren't expecting due to oxidation when the brakes heat up.

There is also handling.
You always need to wear gloves and be careful not to bump the disc with a wrench.

They are durable, but not in the same ways as metal discs.

Bought on the car as a $8k option? Maybe, but not $15k since that is 18% the cost of the car. Pass

[M2M3M3]

Originally Posted by Dr Thrillride

Are you dreaming?

Nope.

[Dr Thrillride]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

I've read countless threads on various forums (Viper, Porsche, Corvette, etc.) from people who track with CCBs exclusively & those who remove the CCBs immediately and replace with steel. I do find it interesting that all these manufacturers equip their track-focused variants with CCBs but then so many claim they're bad for track use. I, personally, wouldn't pay $17k to add them.

Show me please. I’ve heard of the same but I’ve never read their actual experiences.

Sincerely curious because of my interest in the M2 but unwillingness to buy this car for the track because I see so many M2 track hobbyists fiddle fucking to resolve the brake issues.

I’m an experienced, accredited racer which makes me no more than a hobbyist too, but I can’t drive my current 4300 lb beast beyond the limits of the CCBs on a tight track with very few cooldown stretches. Three track seasons, about 20 serious PB lap attempts with proper cooldown and logging rotor temps with a high resolution IR camera, rotors are just fine. Measured and logged with a proper caliper.

Without the CCBs on my current car, it’s useless on the track. The G87 is ~3800 lbs? RWD only. Getting into that range where the stock so called m performance brakes are said by some to not be good enough. So I have read and watched on you know where. That’s all I know.

[Dr Thrillride]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

I can point to brake manufacturers and servicers of CCB rotors that will indicate the wear patterns.

For the typical person that goes to the track, not big deal and the rotors will last as long as the car.

For those that do a lot of track days, you might see wear you weren't expecting due to oxidation when the brakes heat up.

There is also handling.
You always need to wear gloves and be careful not to bump the disc with a wrench.

They are durable, but not in the same ways as metal discs.

Bought on the car as a $8k option? Maybe, but not $15k since that is 18% the cost of the car. Pass

Fair enough on costs after the factory purchase, but $15K is far cheaper than I thought it would amount to. But no brakes, no track. I thought I read that the M2 was BMWs answer to the track car for the masses?

[Dr Thrillride]

Originally Posted by M2M3M3

Nope.

Please educate me. Enquiring minds need to know.

[iCARMIX]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

I have carbon ceramics on my Z06 and they stop significantly better than the standard Z06 brakes, even when not heated up/just driving around town.
Tests on the Z06 show the CCBs stop 11 ft shorter from 60-0. Don't know what data shows on the M cars.

Are the rear calipers shown above the same calipers we already have, just painted gold?

No, they come with the kit. It's different caliper and different brake disc.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by iCARMIX

No, they come with the kit. It's different caliper and different brake disc.

What's different about the rear caliper? It looks identical to the current M rear calipers.

[JohnVLarson]

Sounds like a great deal for those looking to upgrade! The carbon-ceramic brakes are definitely top-tier, offering excellent performance and durability. Those 6-piston calipers in matte gold are a nice touch too.

[M2M3M3]

Originally Posted by Dr Thrillride

Please educate me. Enquiring minds need to know.

thought you were a track guy....

the primary determination for brake distance for a single braking event is tires.

CCB's are a cars and coffee upgrade. they look cool. for the street they offer no performance advantage over putting a better brake pad into stock brakes.

the advantage they offer is in a repetitive, high speed braking environment as they do a better job with heat dissipation. AKA track/race use. but..lol...most track drivers take the CCB system off their cars and put regular brakes on because the cost of CCB parts is excessive and upgraded regular brake systems work just as well.

so...$17k for CCB system to win the C&C event, or $400 for better brake pads to increase brake pedal feel and response. but if you really want to stop better, get better tires.

[techwhiz1]

Originally Posted by JABCAT

What's different about the rear caliper? It looks identical to the current M rear calipers.

I would guess the disc is larger and requires a different offset from the mount point.

So it might look identical, but the bracket provides for a larger radius disc.

[Romo]

For an upgrade its to expensive IMHO

But CCB/PCCB offer some advantages also in daily driving.


1 less unsprung weight is clearly noticeable in steering and driving feel in DD

2 I do like the firmness, the instant hard CCB/PCCB pedal feel over steel ones (the G87 M2 is a good example for a rather mushy pedal feel, doesn't matter in normal setting or sport.)

3 The lack of brake dust is a bonus


Now I wouldn't buy the above upgrade because to expensive , but if it was an option (as I expect on the coming M2CS) I would order it immediately.

I used to own a F87M2CS with the CCB, my current GT4RS has the PCCB, and I`m not a race driver at all, but I do love the brake feel, the steering feel, just way better IMHO compared to steel ones.

[JABCAT]

Originally Posted by techwhiz1

I would guess the disc is larger and requires a different offset from the mount point.

So it might look identical, but the bracket provides for a larger radius disc.

Gotcha. I was expecting something similar to what I have on the Z.