[Josh49]

Absolutely incredible aircraft..

[thedean786]

Are they going to be showing it live on CNN?

[Josh49]

Originally Posted by thedean786

Are they going to be showing it live on CNN?

Honestly don't know. I'll be watching it via internet stream. Doubt CNN would think that many people would care.

However, I bet it's pretty big news in other countries..

[Hunter399]

shittt

[aphall]

Yeah, sweet aircraft. That picture used to be my background on my laptop.

[bostoniant]

oh man did you guys see the nova special on tv about its development? sooooo hot.

[aapriadi]

ah at last some fighter plane fanatics!! another great lookin stealth fighter, there's gonna be 2 or 3 planned variants of JSF right?
one for the air force, one for navy and i dunno whats the other one...thats what i heard although JSF is a multi-role...i wish i can own one lol

[ksfrogman]

Isn't that the Raptor Advanced Tactical Fighter?

[bostoniant]

Originally Posted by ksfrogman

Isn't that the Raptor Advanced Tactical Fighter?

I don't think so. that bad boy is doing a vertical take-off/landing

[ksfrogman]

You're right. I copy and pasted this from http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-3168.html

F-22 Raptor vs F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

F-22 Raptor

Role: air superiority fighter
Builder: Lockheed Martin / Boeing
Variants: YF-22A, F/A-22A
Operators: USAF

The F-22 Raptor is the world's first stealth air-to-air fighter. It is developed to replace the F-15C in the air superiority role. The F-22 is the first production aircraft with the ability to super cruise – flying at supersonic speeds without the use of afterburners.

The plane's builder Lockheed Martin Corp., has built several F-22s for test purposes. Most are at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., undergoing a series of tests. Last year the pentagon approved production plans for an initial batch of 13 production aircraft.

Recently the designation for the Raptor was changed to F/A-22 to indicate the possible air-to-ground role of the aircraft. JDAM bombs can be carried in the internal weapon bay, while the optional external pylons offer a more flexible station for air-to-ground armament.

Specifications:
Powerplant: two Pratt & Whitney F119-P-100 turbofan each rated at 155.69 kN (35,000 lb st) with afterburning

Dimensions: length 18.92m (62 ft 1 in); height 5.00m (16 ft 5 in); wing span 13.56m (44ft 6 in)

Weights: empty more than 13.608 kg (30,000 lb); Max Take-Off Weight 26.308 kg (58,000 lb)

Performance: max level speed at optimum altitude Mach 1.58 in supercruise and at 30,000 ft (9145m) Mach 1.7 in afterburning mode; service ceiling more than 15,240m (50,000 ft); g limit +7.9

Armament: one 20mm M61A2 Vulcan six-barrel gun with 480 rounds; 2 AIM-9X Sidewinder IR-guided missiles in internal side bays. Up to 6 AIM-120C or 4 AIM-120A AMRAAM missiles in internal fuselage weapon bays or 2 AIM-120C AMRAAMs and 2 GBU-32 JDAM bombs or 2 GBU-30 JDAM bombs. Up to four fuel tanks and up to 8 missiles can be carried on optional external hardpoints. (Reportedly there are plans for a F/A-22C with larger weapon bays capable or carrying a larger selection of Air-to-Ground weapons and weapons such as the AGM-88 HARM).

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F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

Role: multi-role strike fighter
Builder: Lockheed Martin
Variants: F-35A, F-35B, F-35C
Operators: USAF, US Navy, US Marine Corps, Royal Navy/Royal Air Force (UK), (Netherlands, Turkey, Italy, Israel, Australia)

The F-35 will be the result from the Joint Strike Fighter program. The aim of the program is to develop an affordable next generation stealth strike aircraft for the US Air Force, US Navy, US Marine Corps and the United Kingdom as well as other US allies. The program enables various forms of participation for the candidate export countries, ranging from 'informed partner' to 'major participant'. Boeing and Lockheed Martin were the two competitors in the Concept Development Phase (CDP). The Boeing Corp. designed and built the X-32 prototype and the Lockheed Martin team developed the X-35. The X-35 concept by Lockheed Martin was selected as the winner and the program has now entered the Systems Development Demonstration (SDD) phase of the JSF program.

Lockheed Martin leads a development team including Northrop Grumman, BAE Systems, and Pratt & Whitney. Lockheed Martin brings in advanced technology experience, stealth technology and other technologies and experience which it has gained during F-22 research and development. Northrop Grumman offers tactical aircraft knowledge, stealth technology and carrier suitability. BAE System provides expertise and experience with short take off and vertical landing (STOVL) technology as well as advanced subcontract management. Pratt & Whitney is the builder of the engine which will power the JSF which is based on the F-119 turbojet from the F-22.
To forfill the demands of the main contractors three different variants are developed. All versions will have a common structure and have the same fuselage and internal weapons bay. They will all three be powered by a F-119 modified engine. All variants will carry the standard designation F-35.
The F-35A is the standard variant with conventional take off and landing developed for the US Air Force, the biggest JSF customer. The F-35A will replace the F-16 and the A-10 aircraft currently operated by the USAF. The F-35A will probably also be the most exported variant. Possible export countries for the F-35A include all current F-16 Fighting Falcon, F-4 Phantom, F/A-18 Hornet operators, such as the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Turkey, Greece, Israel, Australia, etcetera.

The F-35B is the STOVL variant of the JSF. The F-119 is modified using the experience of BAE Systems based on the Rolls-Royce Pegasus engine from the AV-8 Harrier. Unlike the Air Force variant the F-35B carries no internal gun and the air refuelling probe is located on the right side of the forward fuselage instead of receptacle on the top surface of the aircraft. The main customers for the F-35B will be the USMC to replace the F/A-18 Hornet ands the AV-8B Harrier IIs and the United Kingdom to replace the Royal Air Force/Royal Navy combined Harrier force of Sea Harriers and GR.7s. Other future customers can include Spain and Italy which also operate the Harrier.
The F-35C is a modified design which enables the JSF to operate from aircraft carriers using conventional carrier landings and capapult take off. The F-35C internal structure and landing gear have been strengthened to handle the loads associated with catapult launches and arrested carrier landings. It has a larger wing area than other JSF types with larger control surfaces for better low speed handling. Like the F-35B is has a refuelling probe instead of a receptacle. The US Navy will be the biggest customer of this variant. The F-35C will complement the US Navy fleet of F/A-18E/F fighters by replacing the F/A-18 A+ and C Hornet currently in service.
Future variants might include two seat trainers of each variant and possible modifications for export customers.

Specifications:
Powerplant: one Pratt & Whitney F119-611 turbofan probably producing between 34,000 and 40,000 lbs of thrust with afterburning

Dimensions: X-35A: length 50 ft 6 in (15.37m); height ; wing span 35 ft 0 in (10.65m) X-35C: larger wing span

Weights: unknown

Performance: max level speed unknown; service ceiling probably more than 15,240m (50,000 ft); g limit estimated at +9

Armament: one single-barrel Boeing Advanced 27mm cannon, primary AAM for defense is the AIM-120 AMRAAM of which at least two will be able to be carried in the internal weapon bay. The AIM-9X Sidewinder can only be carried on external additional hardpoints or on the wingtips, not in the internal weapons bay. A large variation of A-G weapons. Of which at least two JDAM GBU-31 (USAF, US Navy requirement) bombs or GBU-32 (USMC requirement) will be able to be carried in the internal weapons bay.

[puck724]

whoo hoo some fighter jet people....i gew up lookin at all these jets and i still do because my dad works for northrop grumman...

[ksfrogman]

Originally Posted by puck724

whoo hoo some fighter jet people....i gew up lookin at all these jets and i still do because my dad works for northrop grumman...

Same, though mine is retired. He worked for Northrop for some 30+ years so I got all the inside scoop and went to tons of air shows.

[Ghunger]

Ya, they're both very cool planes, different purposes though. If I had to choose I'd go for the F-22, but I'm a bit biased I guess.

[aphall]

Originally Posted by aapriadi

ah at last some fighter plane fanatics!! another great lookin stealth fighter, there's gonna be 2 or 3 planned variants of JSF right?
one for the air force, one for navy and i dunno whats the other one...thats what i heard although JSF is a multi-role...i wish i can own one lol

Yeah, frogman's articles summed up most of things. There are 3 variants. The STOVL (short take off vertical landing), the CTOL (conventional take-off and landing), and the CV (carrier variant). I was on the external audit team for Northrop Grumman and got to see some of these babies in production, including the F-18s and maintenance of the B-2s.

[aphall]

Originally Posted by puck724

whoo hoo some fighter jet people....i gew up lookin at all these jets and i still do because my dad works for northrop grumman...

hey puck, which program is your dad on?

[puck724]

Originally Posted by aphall

hey puck, which program is your dad on?

hmm..if remember right hes with the F/A-18 E/F program. sound right? hahaha...

[ksfrogman]

My dad worked at Northrop's master dimensions department. Before it was the F-18, it was the YF-17, and before that, the P-530 Cobra.

As for the F-35, here you go:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/115308/f35_take_off/

[aphall]

The YF was a unique looking plane. They have one sitting in the parking lot off of Aviation near the F-18 production line. Frogman, your link didn't work for me.

[ksfrogman]

Originally Posted by aphall

The YF was a unique looking plane. They have one sitting in the parking lot off of Aviation near the F-18 production line. Frogman, your link didn't work for me.

That's strange, I just clicked on the link and it worked. Maybe you have a filter at work?

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/115308/f35_take_off/

[BigDog]

Lot of stuff for JSF was done here where I work

[rchanou]

Cool jet. Over budget.

[Josh49]

Originally Posted by BigDog

Lot of stuff for JSF was done here where I work

Same.