[RUBER]

I want to have an LPG installation in my 325i Coupé to be ordered.
Anyone with experience in this?
I plan to use a VIALLE LPI liquid gas injection system. I would like to know if anyone has experience with the 2500 cc 6-cylinder engine on LPG, in the 3-or 5-series.

LPG in Belgium costs about the same as ordinary gas in the States. 45-49 eurocent per liter actually, while ordinary gas is 1.3 euro a liter.
(a LITER, not a gallon )

[future13]

if you dont have money dont buy bmw... or buy diesel

[RUBER]

such cheesy reactions were to be expected.
You'd better not disturb a serious thread if you can't contribute substantially with interesting content or relevant remarks.
I drive about 60.000 km a year. Driving LPG versus gas makes a difference of 6000 euro a year. I guess that is a difference worth considering LPG for.

[RUBER]

Nooooobody interested in LPG??????????
Guys I saved a BIIIIIIIG Bimmer in the 20 years I 've been driving LPG.
+-1.000.000 km in 20 years times 7 eurocent/km = 70.000 euro!

[Chesmu]

what is LPG?

[jjhan85]

...liters per gallon...???


what is this dude talking about?

[Jaws]

Originally Posted by jjhan85

...liters per gallon...???


what is this dude talking about?

Propane.

[NaTuReB0Y]

i thought the thread was about Lady Professional Golf....LPG....

anyways......it would be nice to have an alternative to fossil fuel.......

but can you find a LPG station around every corner to fuel up?

[RUBER]

LPG is Liquid Propane Gas.
It's as fossil as oil.
It has some popularity in Europe since European governments tax fuels so heavily, but for some reason they don't do that with LPG. therefore the price for LPG is in Europe on average about the same as for gas(petrol) in the States.
LPG is also the most environmentally friendly fuel. Its emissions are in fact pure CO2 with almost nothing polluting in it. You could breathe it without danger (don't try this at home!).
LA would be much better off with a massive switch to LPG than with Hybrids. Some Asian cities plan exactly that.
http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1...lue-13818.html
LPG (or autogas as it's called in Germany and the UK) requires a special injection installation and a tank in the trunk or at the place of the spare wheel.
You can inject it in liquid state and then we call it an LPI installation, like these:
www.vialle.nl

Hope to have informed you a bit, now I hope there 's someone on this site who has experience with LPG in the 2500 engine.

(So this IS for more than 90 % a US site?)

[acizek]

Originally Posted by RUBER

LPG is Liquid Propane Gas.
It's as fossil as oil.
It has some popularity in Europe since European governments tax fuels so heavily, but for some reason they don't do that with LPG. therefore the price for LPG is in Europe on average about the same as for gas(petrol) in the States.
LPG is also the most environmentally friendly fuel. Its emissions are in fact pure CO2 with almost nothing polluting in it. You could breathe it without danger (don't try this at home!).
LA would be much better off with a massive switch to LPG than with Hybrids. Some Asian cities plan exactly that.
http://www.cleanairnet.org/caiasia/1...lue-13818.html
LPG (or autogas as it's called in Germany and the UK) requires a special injection installation and a tank in the trunk or at the place of the spare wheel.
You can inject it in liquid state and then we call it an LPI installation, like these:
www.vialle.nl

Hope to have informed you a bit, now I hope there 's someone on this site who has experience with LPG in the 2500 engine.

(So this IS for more than 90 % a US site?)

Ruber, yes this looks mainly a US site. Unfortunately for us European drivers (I am struggling to find many after market parts here and having them shipped from overseas is just too expensive).
with regards to your question - I have raised it at a local car forum and have an equal split of opinions no experience with new 325i but some people who put it into E46 325 and some of them happy (only negative is loss of about 5% power and restricted access into underground parking), some of them say that their consumption with LPG went up almost by 50% which means that they pay for LPG the same as for gas before!!!
have a look at this website, interesting reading http://www.go-lpg.co.uk/

[Jackbmw]

I live in Poland and when I see a man with a LPG installation in his BMW I wanna cry It's a profanation and sin in my opinion to have LPG in a BMW :mad: I can't understand why people use such installations in private cars. Not only does the fumes of such a car smell like rotten eggs but also, as was scientifically proved, it emits more pollution than petrol or diesel engine. Not to mention more expensive registration and mechanical inspections.

[RUBER]

Originally Posted by Jackbmw

I live in Poland and when I see a man with a LPG installation in his BMW I wanna cry It's a profanation and sin in my opinion to have LPG in a BMW :mad: I can't understand why people use such installations in private cars. Not only does the fumes of such a car smell like rotten eggs but also, as was scientifically proved, it emits more pollution than petrol or diesel engine. Not to mention more expensive registration and mechanical inspections.

Blame our tax-hungry governments for that, not BMW owners who want to save on gas prices. You can't understand? Read my post above where i calculate what i saved in 20 years: 70.000 euro. do you understand now?

There are no fumes coming out of an LPG car. read the above post where I added a link to a clean air activists website.

Admitted, BMW does not want to be involved in LPG projects like Volvo and Saab do, and that is purely a matter of image, afraid as they are frightening prejudiced customers like you.

But it 's a nice solution and works fine. With liquid gas injection you don't loose any power and the consumption is 20% more in LITERS, but LESS in weight.
If you would express consumption in weight, diesel is still the most economic, then comes LPG then fuel.

Hope to get a wise reaction still yet.

[KL2DC]

This is a question better suited for the great E90Fleet....

I am thinking about the effect of the LPG on the compression and engine management of the N52B25 engine. Installing the LPG system is not a problem but I am thinking about engine knocking and such.

Please keep us posted, its good to know.

[RUBER]

Good question, but Actually Propane is pretty knocking-resilient.
Engine management is indeed the big question, that is not an easy job to implement in a good LPG installation. That's why I'm asking to share experiences with people who have it in their 6 cylinder 2500. That is exactly the same engine as in the E90, as far as I know, so it should not be exclusively for the E90.
LPG works fine in most quality engines, but I thought to find some interesting answers here.
Ok maybe not the right site to put this question.

[KL2DC]

Ruber, no its just that we have no experience with the LPG. See if you can get E90Fleet on it, he will show the light....

[RUBER]

OK 'll do that, thx.

[RUBER]

Ok I get it. E90fleet is a PERSON, not a website (like E90post.com E90fleet.com)
I sent him a private message.

[Joop!]

Why aren't you running on Diesel??? I don't know what Diesel costs in Belgium, but it should more or less the same as in The Netherlands of about 1.00 Euro per litre. With that price and with mileage per year (you drive more than enough) you should save some real money.

LPG cars tend to have more maintenance; BMW engines don't like LPG that much. Here in the Netherlands there are just a handfull of LPG cars.

When it's my choice I should go for the Diesel cars.

[RUBER]

let me tell you the reason why i am not running on Diesel in just 1 word - (though no offense meant to diesel lovers):

BBBBBBRRRRRREUEUEUEUEUEUEUEHREUTELREUTELRRRRREUEUE UEEOEOEOEOEWWAAAAAARRRRRHHHHHHRUCHUCHUCHUCHHHHHHHH HHHHSTINKSTINKSTINKRRROAOAOAOAOAHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRR RRRRUMBLERUMBLEGRRRRRRRRR

And LPG is much cheaper than Diesel here.

I have 260.000 km and had LESS maintenance in my Alfa Romeo. that is because LPG is much dryer, therefore does not pollute the oil. Oil remains same color for 1000s of kilometers. Also Spark Plugs generally last longer.

But I understand, there's lots of prejudices against the unknown.

[E90Fleet]

Im sorry, but down here in deep dark africa LPG is really only used for low cost cooking or heating.

Ive heard of 1 or 2 security companies here testing LPG in their patrol cars, but other than that I know of no other LPG cars, nor have I ever actually seen one here.


I would be hesitant installing it in such a sophisticated car such as the E90 if it hasnt been tested in it yet


Sorry i couldnt be more of a help

[RUBER]

Ok Guys, I'll just go for it and make my 325 Coupé (which I still have to order) a guinea pig.
I'll have the Vialle Liquid Propane Injection system mounted in it with as big a tank as possible. (90 liter in-trunk or 96 liter twin tanks in the place of the disappeared spare wheel.)
And I 'll keep you posted about the results.