[OBI_agent]

PS....We need Chris Harris here

[A-Man]

They tested in on the top gear track?

However, the 458 looks much better IMO

[blue2fire]

I agree with them, it has no character whatsoever. Hope McLaren stays around and makes more cars.

[Sylon]

I watched this video this morning, I know the 458 is the benchmark right now, so I was disappointed hearing the McLaren fell short. First thing I noticed was that they tested the cars on the Top Gear test track, so I was curious to see what route they took when they said the McLaren was a tenth of a second off the 458's lap time. Did they go the typical Top Gear track route to test that? Or did they make up their own?


I love the McLaren, but to me it doesnt matter if it fell just short of the 458 or not, I will never be able to afford either of the cars. And although I praise the 458 for its incredible performance, I still think the front of that car looks ugly. From the side it looks great, the back is ok, but the front is ugly. Still an incredible car as well. But if I could afford them, I would still pick the McLaren.

[TSM330i]

WOW! I wonder how long it's going to take McLaren to disable the traction control completely? This is the second test I've seen that they complained they couldn't turn off the traction control on the Mac.
I've seen the 458 in person, up close. I like it a lot! I can't wait for the McLaren dealership to be completed just 7 miles from my house though.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by blipit

458 is an epic car. Ferrari just completely out did themselves. It continues to impress.

458 wins in all aspects, performance, styling, etc...

The McLaren is hideous, especially the rear.

This guy is like the anti-Levi.

[SilverII]

458 all the way

[MikeyV]

My take on this is, in the hands of the averge joe the MP12C will probably be faster, however in the hands of a professional racing driver (not the target market) the Ferrari is going to take it.

[Top_Gear_Fan]

Originally Posted by MikeyV

My take on this is, in the hands of the averge joe the MP12C will probably be faster, however in the hands of a professional racing driver (not the target market) the Ferrari is going to take it.

I think you've got it the other way around.

[yakev724]

Originally Posted by shift@red

The 458, GT2 RS and McL look to be pretty evenly matched. I would love to have seen the GT3 RS or RS 4.0 (which likely would have been faster than all) in the test.

Isn't GT2 RS > GT3 RS ?

The 4.0 is nice, but too too many 911s. How many total? 10-12?

EDIT: lol try 24:


Models

911 Carrera
911 Carrera S
911 Carrera Cabriolet
911 Carrera S Cabriolet
911 Carrera 4
911 Carrera 4S
911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet
911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet
911 Carrera GTS
911 Speedster
911 Targa 4
911 Targa 4S
911 Sport Classic
911 Turbo
911 Turbo Cabriolet
911 Turbo S
911 Turbo S Cabriolet
911 Club Coupe
911 GT3
911 GT3 RS
911 GT3 RS 4.0
911 GT3 Cup
911 GT2
911 GT2 RS

[DM1]

^And some criticize BMW for having "too much models",... at least they are more different.... back to topic.

The 458 is an amazing car, I saw the video before reading any of the posts and was a bit worried that the McL would beat the Ferrari since as they said "on paper" it should perform better,... but just as my heart felt,... the Ferrari is still king and will always be. There will be more powerful cars, more aggressive cars, perhaps with more grip or handling, better 1/4 mile times and stuff, even some better lap times, but the feeling and the precision will never be matched,.... I'm unsure I will be able to buy one ever, but if I ever have enough money to buy a super car,... it will be a Ferrari for sure.

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by yakev724

Isn't GT2 RS > GT3 RS ?

The 4.0 is nice, but too too many 911s. How many total? 10-12?

EDIT: lol try 24:


Models

911 Carrera
911 Carrera S
911 Carrera Cabriolet
911 Carrera S Cabriolet
911 Carrera 4
911 Carrera 4S
911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet
911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet
911 Carrera GTS
911 Speedster
911 Targa 4
911 Targa 4S
911 Sport Classic
911 Turbo
911 Turbo Cabriolet
911 Turbo S
911 Turbo S Cabriolet
911 Club Coupe
911 GT3
911 GT3 RS
911 GT3 RS 4.0
911 GT3 Cup
911 GT2
911 GT2 RS

Too many? Each one fits perfectly in its price range and allows many people to get a piece of the 911 pie just the way they like it. At least each one is respectable and worth deserves its merit.

[pixelblue]

Forgot to include the RSR in the group

[OBI_agent]

Originally Posted by Year's_End

This guy is like the anti-Levi.

Originally Posted by blipit

The MP4-12C is an engineering marvel. It is a shame it looks the way it does.


It is pure win.

Do you know about a user named levi?? He's actually a kind of die hard supporter of Mclaren. And your the opposite

[OBI_agent]

Originally Posted by Sylon

I watched this video this morning, I know the 458 is the benchmark right now, so I was disappointed hearing the McLaren fell short. First thing I noticed was that they tested the cars on the Top Gear test track, so I was curious to see what route they took when they said the McLaren was a tenth of a second off the 458's lap time. Did they go the typical Top Gear track route to test that? Or did they make up their own?


I love the McLaren, but to me it doesnt matter if it fell just short of the 458 or not, I will never be able to afford either of the cars. And although I praise the 458 for its incredible performance, I still think the front of that car looks ugly. From the side it looks great, the back is ok, but the front is ugly. Still an incredible car as well. But if I could afford them, I would still pick the McLaren.

I was thinking the exact same thing about Top gear's test track being used for this show as I'm pretty sure fifth gear have their own track to test cars. I tried searching for it but couldn't find anything as to why this happened.

Hmmm, so I thought the MP4 would be dethrone F458 but I guess I was wrong. I guess the word ''experience'' really counts as Ferrari have been in this business of sports cars for years.
And I have to disagree on some of the points you mentioned about F458. I don't think the Ferrari looks ugly from the front, its the total opposite and looks beautiful. I guess the only place it looks a little different is from the sideview. The wheels are massive but look small for F458.
And also, if I had the money and had to choose between the two, it would be the Ferrari. Its just due to the fact I have never owned one and it would be a dream come true to own something so rare, exotic, exhilarating exhaust note and beautiful. Unfortunately, Mclaren doesn't stir up that feeling for me as they are new in the business and need time to reach what Ferrari is today.

[graider]

Originally Posted by shift@red

The 458, GT2 RS and McL look to be pretty evenly matched. I would love to have seen the GT3 RS or RS 4.0 (which likely would have been faster than all) in the test.

how can the gt3 rs 4.0 faster than the gt2 rs with 100hp less power? weren't you bragging about the gt2 rs ringtime of 7:19 a few months back?

[BTM]

Originally Posted by blipit

The MP4-12C is an engineering marvel. It is a shame it looks the way it does.

I love the way the McLaren looks. It tends to look better IRL pictures than in press ones, even in that orange color I'm not sold on completely



Love the way it looks in black



or in grey

[TK-421]

exactly the review i was looking for (if i was in the market ). i want a car that does exactly what they want - put a smile on my face. the 458 most definitely does that while parked and it looks to do an even better job when you're behind the wheel

[Davin]

Ferrari seemed orgasmic when Tiff was driving it!!

[BMW269]

I really like the looks and the technology of the McLaren but am disapointed it failed be better, being much faster. However, I like McLaren's return, can't wait for the next ones, Lotus Esprit and De Tomaso Panthera and also at last BMW M. In a few years the fight will be EPIC. Will the 458 Italia, the first one to come out still hold it against the yong ones?

Ferrari 458 Italia vs. McLaren MP4-12C vs. Lamborghini Cabrera vs. Lotus Esprit vs. De Tomaso Panthera vs. Mercedes SLC AMG vs. Porsche 956 vs. BMW M One vs. Audi R8 (new) vs. Corvette

[michaelthepsycho]

I'm a little disappointed... The McLaren hype was so short-lived

But... I guess the King is still the King.

[Jules-B]

The reason they were filming on Top Gear track is that McLaren have blocked booked the track for quite a while...