Buy a Lemoned Vehicle?

AMERICUS · 07-10-2011, 06:47 PM

What do you think of this deal? The price is great for what you are getting, but I don't know how a vehicle being lemoned affects it. Is the price fair? Is insurance higher? Registration / emissions any different?

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fdriller9 · 07-10-2011, 07:12 PM

If you like throwing your money away....then yes. Buy a lemon.

AddictedToBavarian · 07-10-2011, 07:13 PM

For that price you can find the same car that isn't a lemoned vehicle. They should really bring it down more and I believe you have room for negotiating because it's lemoned. I would say $29,500 because that kind of thing on a carfax will hurt you down the road when you decide to sell that car. So my suggestion is look around you'll find something very similar in that range. If you want that one NO MORE than 30 out the door (even that is a bit high).

AddictedToBavarian · 07-10-2011, 07:15 PM

"This vehicle was generously repurchased according to state manufacturer buyback laws, and the title will reflect as such, by BMW for an issue regarding fuel system concern."

Then again look into that too. If it's just somebody who gave up after a 2nd HPFP might be worth it.

aut0sh0cker · 07-10-2011, 07:19 PM

"Spend too little and you've wasted all your money. Spend too much and you've only wasted a little."

AMERICUS · 07-10-2011, 07:43 PM

My thoughts are it is the HPFP so it is a common problem. My concern though is the resale value or it down the road. Even with the extended warranty on the fuel system and the new HPFP pn, is it worth the risk? Definitely will keep looking, but price wise I was wondering where this should fall at with it lemoned. Thanks for the responses.

John 070 · 07-10-2011, 07:54 PM

Why would people who already own a BMW consider a lemon? Unless you're flipping cars, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's like being married to a hot wife, but browsing on match.com to see if you can score with some girl with 2 kids and looking for some sugar daddy.

cmpmacchia · 07-10-2011, 08:47 PM

Dont do it..

smallseafishie · 07-10-2011, 08:51 PM

Why not just get an 07 or 08 w/ comparable miles for less? There's not much difference on the 09 aside from the idrive.

wren57 · 07-10-2011, 09:19 PM

I bought my lemon from that same dealership. They're local to me. Mine was just the HPFP replacement 3 times in Cali so boom it's a lemon. Car hasn't given me one bit of grief in ~20k miles since last August except for widespread trans-pan leak. I only paid $20k for mine though, so that price is quite high for a branded title.

Oh, and an aside about the dealer: they deal a LOT of Cali buyback 335i. Myself and two other members have bought from them with no issues. However, they don't negotiate. It sounds stupid, but they don't. Their sales staff is salaried and not on commission so they really don't care if you buy or walk. Maybe they've changed policy.

As a local, if you'd like I can take a look at it for you if you're seriously considering, but it'll be a few weeks until I'm back in town.

M340i Pride · 07-11-2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wren57

I bought my lemon from that same dealership. They're local to me. Mine was just the HPFP replacement 3 times in Cali so boom it's a lemon. Car hasn't given me one bit of grief in ~20k miles since last August except for widespread trans-pan leak. I only paid $20k for mine though, so that price is quite high for a branded title.

Oh, and an aside about the dealer: they deal a LOT of Cali buyback 335i. Myself and two other members have bought from them with no issues. However, they don't negotiate. It sounds stupid, but they don't. Their sales staff is salaried and not on commission so they really don't care if you buy or walk. Maybe they've changed policy.

As a local, if you'd like I can take a look at it for you if you're seriously considering, but it'll be a few weeks until I'm back in town.

i did not know sales person nowadays are on salary. that would make the job very undesirable. cant make big bucks, and dealerships will not sell much cars because salesman will not give much damn about selling lots of cars.. if deal is too difficult they could just say "if you dont like our price then take a walk"

M40i4me · 07-11-2011, 04:32 AM

NFW, lemon can mean multiple problems not just one that is supposedly fixed.

Drivaar · 07-11-2011, 09:05 AM

Can't you look at the service history to figure out why it's been lemoned?

Also, that is a very kind offer from wren57!

JuppiOne · 07-11-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by John 070

Why would people who already own a BMW consider a lemon? Unless you're flipping cars, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's like being married to a hot wife, but browsing on match.com to see if you can score with some girl with 2 kids and looking for some sugar daddy.

Seriously, if I were you, I would not do it, even though it may not have any issue now, but it will always be at the back of your mind that this car was a lemon, and you are going to wonder if she is going to break down anytime soon. or when you decided to go on a road trip, will you feel safe that you are not going to stranded in the middle of no where? It is only matter to one person that knows it was a lemon, you!

Gravy · 07-11-2011, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by wren57

I bought my lemon from that same dealership. They're local to me. Mine was just the HPFP replacement 3 times in Cali so boom it's a lemon. Car hasn't given me one bit of grief in ~20k miles since last August except for widespread trans-pan leak. I only paid $20k for mine though, so that price is quite high for a branded title.

Oh, and an aside about the dealer: they deal a LOT of Cali buyback 335i. Myself and two other members have bought from them with no issues. However, they don't negotiate. It sounds stupid, but they don't. Their sales staff is salaried and not on commission so they really don't care if you buy or walk. Maybe they've changed policy.

As a local, if you'd like I can take a look at it for you if you're seriously considering, but it'll be a few weeks until I'm back in town.

Same thing here. Also purchased bb from Donohoo. Havnt had any issues. You should check them out in person though cause their selection is crazy...

wren57 · 07-11-2011, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by bmwpride335i

i did not know sales person nowadays are on salary. that would make the job very undesirable. cant make big bucks, and dealerships will not sell much cars because salesman will not give much damn about selling lots of cars.. if deal is too difficult they could just say "if you dont like our price then take a walk"

Yup. It's a low stress environment though. On test drives they just give you the keys and scan your license: no ride-along salesman. I was talking to them for like 2 weeks about buying the car before I scheduled my pickup of it, and when I got there the salesman I had been speaking with wasn't in the office that day although he knew I was coming to sign papers. They just DGAF whether or not they sell the car...

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Originally Posted by 3284me

NFW, lemon can mean multiple problems not just one that is supposedly fixed.

True, but see below...

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Originally Posted by Drivaar

Can't you look at the service history to figure out why it's been lemoned?

Also, that is a very kind offer from wren57!

Exactly. This is what I did. I also paid the local BMW dealership $120 to inspect the car so I a) knew what I was buying and b) could get an aftermarket warranty.

Happy to help a member out in this capacity. Wouldn't be the first time, either.

Kolyan2k · 07-11-2011, 09:41 AM

Resale is the only problem I see when buying lemon titled car. Unless car has had MANY issues and really is a lemon. So buying price should be low enough to compensate for loss in resale

Nalod · 07-11-2011, 09:54 AM

Looked at Donnoho a few times and I think they are pretty upfront. They seem to do a big volumn.

Its far for me and I always think if you get there its good to have 2 or three choices or a return airfare. Not so big a deal if your payi8ng 30k or more!

I do think the "Lemon" on the car fax seems to be a problem for resale.

That car with 39k miles seems a bit steep on the price. Nice car though!

THey are an interresting group, over the last two years they went from doing big Audi volumn to mercedes, and now BMW.

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fdriller9 Banned 255 Rep 7,089 Posts Drives: '06 AW 330xi Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North Jersey/Philly/NYC iTrader: (4) Garage List 2006 330xi [6.44]	If you like throwing your money away....then yes. Buy a lemon.
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AddictedToBavarian My other ride is a Bianchi Infinito 97 Rep 2,767 Posts Drives: Miss my E92 but love my E46 M3 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: North Jersey iTrader: (2)	For that price you can find the same car that isn't a lemoned vehicle. They should really bring it down more and I believe you have room for negotiating because it's lemoned. I would say $29,500 because that kind of thing on a carfax will hurt you down the road when you decide to sell that car. So my suggestion is look around you'll find something very similar in that range. If you want that one NO MORE than 30 out the door (even that is a bit high).
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AddictedToBavarian My other ride is a Bianchi Infinito 97 Rep 2,767 Posts Drives: Miss my E92 but love my E46 M3 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: North Jersey iTrader: (2)	"This vehicle was generously repurchased according to state manufacturer buyback laws, and the title will reflect as such, by BMW for an issue regarding fuel system concern." Then again look into that too. If it's just somebody who gave up after a 2nd HPFP might be worth it.
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07-10-2011, 07:43 PM	#6
AMERICUS Private First Class 28 Rep 153 Posts Drives: 09 335i, 04 330 ZHP Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Iowa iTrader: (1)	My thoughts are it is the HPFP so it is a common problem. My concern though is the resale value or it down the road. Even with the extended warranty on the fuel system and the new HPFP pn, is it worth the risk? Definitely will keep looking, but price wise I was wondering where this should fall at with it lemoned. Thanks for the responses.
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John 070 Lieutenant General 1707 Rep 14,829 Posts Drives: 335i cpe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ZSP/ZPP/ZCW iTrader: (0)	Why would people who already own a BMW consider a lemon? Unless you're flipping cars, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's like being married to a hot wife, but browsing on match.com to see if you can score with some girl with 2 kids and looking for some sugar daddy.
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cmpmacchia Enlisted Member 5 Rep 36 Posts Drives: 2007 328xi Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Winnipeg iTrader: (0)	Dont do it..
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07-10-2011, 08:51 PM	#9
smallseafishie Colonel 111 Rep 2,017 Posts Drives: AW 07 e92 335i + AW 11 X5 35d Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Atlanta GA iTrader: (13) Garage List 2007 E92 335i [0.00]	Why not just get an 07 or 08 w/ comparable miles for less? There's not much difference on the 09 aside from the idrive.
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07-10-2011, 09:19 PM	#10
wren57 Roll Tide 591 Rep 2,345 Posts Drives: 335i Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St Louis iTrader: (10)	I bought my lemon from that same dealership. They're local to me. Mine was just the HPFP replacement 3 times in Cali so boom it's a lemon. Car hasn't given me one bit of grief in ~20k miles since last August except for widespread trans-pan leak. I only paid $20k for mine though, so that price is quite high for a branded title. Oh, and an aside about the dealer: they deal a LOT of Cali buyback 335i. Myself and two other members have bought from them with no issues. However, they don't negotiate. It sounds stupid, but they don't. Their sales staff is salaried and not on commission so they really don't care if you buy or walk. Maybe they've changed policy. As a local, if you'd like I can take a look at it for you if you're seriously considering, but it'll be a few weeks until I'm back in town. __________________ Fix your broken/stripped cowl bolts with this elegant brass solution! http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?p=20230306
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Drivaar Lieutenant 73 Rep 463 Posts Drives: BMW Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Earth iTrader: (0)	Can't you look at the service history to figure out why it's been lemoned? Also, that is a very kind offer from wren57!
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Kolyan2k Major General 930 Rep 5,538 Posts Drives: 2006 S2000 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Boston iTrader: (1)	Resale is the only problem I see when buying lemon titled car. Unless car has had MANY issues and really is a lemon. So buying price should be low enough to compensate for loss in resale
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Nalod Major 79 Rep 1,073 Posts Drives: 2013 535i Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NorthCarolina iTrader: (0)	Looked at Donnoho a few times and I think they are pretty upfront. They seem to do a big volumn. Its far for me and I always think if you get there its good to have 2 or three choices or a return airfare. Not so big a deal if your payi8ng 30k or more! I do think the "Lemon" on the car fax seems to be a problem for resale. That car with 39k miles seems a bit steep on the price. Nice car though! THey are an interresting group, over the last two years they went from doing big Audi volumn to mercedes, and now BMW.
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