[Sara]

What exactly has to be disclosed? Received this group email today and thought you guys would be able to give me some insight.


"Mates

Anyone interested in a BMW redhibition case? I haven't done one of these and don't want to start now.

A friend bought a certfied pre-owned 2008 BMW in July 2012 which has been in the shop multiple times, won't start, and stops for no reason. It appears to have an engine sludge problem which will cost $6K to fix and isn't covered by the warranty. Friend has since learned that the car previously had the transmission replaces and that the maintenance records indicate 18K miles and 30K miles between oil changes.

What kind of certification process doesn't look at the maintenance history? Don't they have to disclose the new transmission and maintenance history? What about unfair trade practices?

I'm curious about the options, but want to refer this to someone who can help.

Jim"

[Antonio1988]

The only issue that I see here is that their certified merit of their pre-owned car is supposed to be selling something as good as buying new... This makes their claim as to what theyr are selling invalid. I wouldn't know how to approach it legally, but your friend should seek counsel.

[Astephens94]

I had a big problem when I initially purchased my car 'CPO' -- I found the bmwusa website extremely helpful; it lays out exactly what must be performed for a car to pass as "Certified Pre-Owned". I was able to leverage this information to get a few thousand dollars worth of work done absolutely free, as the product I purchased did not meet the requirements. The case to BMW NA didn't hurt either..

Check out the information on BMW's site; hope it all works out!

[redline2001]

BMW CPO = Garbage

[Sara]

Originally Posted by Astephens94

I had a big problem when I initially purchased my car 'CPO' -- I found the bmwusa website extremely helpful; it lays out exactly what must be performed for a car to pass as "Certified Pre-Owned". I was able to leverage this information to get a few thousand dollars worth of work done absolutely free, as the product I purchased did not meet the requirements. The case to BMW NA didn't hurt either..

Check out the information on BMW's site; hope it all works out!

I looked at the check list. It wasnt exactly clear.. I guess the question is, Can a BMW that has had its transmission replaced be eligible for CPO warranty?

[MCoupeInsanity]

Originally Posted by Antonio1988

The only issue that I see here is that their certified merit of their pre-owned car is supposed to be selling something as good as buying new... This makes their claim as to what theyr are selling invalid. I wouldn't know how to approach it legally, but your friend should seek counsel.

The bolded above is just wrong. The CPO is not a warranty that the car is "good as new." The CPO warranty is a warranty covering the cost of certain types of repair for a given term of years or miles. That's all.

They ARE NOT telling you the car's good as new. They're saying "no matter how good or bad the car is, we'll cover it until [x]."

[ken1137]

There were a couple BMW dealers on the East coast sued for selling 'lemon buybacks' as CPO's. Cant find the article. I also know a local 1Addict member who bought a CPO locally only to find out the dealer's son owned it and beat the shit out of it on the track which caused some problems down the road.

+1 CPO guarantees nothing.

"They're saying "no matter how good or bad the car is, we'll cover it until" ^^^ not if you ask this local guy.

[Doctor///M]

I found that Autocheck reports give a lot more details and things that are usually missed by Carfax. As far as purchasing used - the $150 you spend for a PPI turns out to be well worth it in the end.

Can't help much with the CPO process, other than blindly saying that the car was supposed to have gone through a x-million point inspection to qualify, not so? Was the transmission one of those points?

[ken1137]

Found this...states 'transmission shifting" and "gear shift function".

bmw-inspection.pdf

Redhibition cases; not too familiar but sounds like the buyer will have to prove seller (BMW) knew about the problem. His lawyer will probably have to obtain the CPO report, but I assume the dealer probably did not list any issues with the car.

[Antonio1988]

Originally Posted by MCoupeInsanity

The bolded above is just wrong. The CPO is not a warranty that the car is "good as new." The CPO warranty is a warranty covering the cost of certain types of repair for a given term of years or miles. That's all.

They ARE NOT telling you the car's good as new. They're saying "no matter how good or bad the car is, we'll cover it until [x]."

That's how they advertise it, sorry if you couldn't understand my wording. The act of advertising something like that on that premise from reputable dealers more often than not has most people reading over the fine print which is where vendors and sellers get into trouble. It's misleading when issues like this arise

[theblackmamba]

CPO just means the car is in good running condition, and a 100 point or so inspection was done one it etc. It doesnt mean that its the most perfect car their is, it also includes the extended warranty to 100k/7yr from in-service.

A car can have the entire transmission replaced and be CPO for example.

[luv135i]

Originally Posted by thatswhatsh3said

CPO just means the car is in good running condition, and a 100 point or so inspection was done one it etc. It doesnt mean that its the most perfect car their is, it also includes the extended warranty to 100k/7yr from in-service.

A car can have the entire transmission replaced and be CPO for example.

This except its 6yrs not 7. 2 extra years or 50k additional miles

[Jace_91]

Yeah CPO doesn't really do much, its like the free 50 point inspection you get when you get your oil changed but a little more in depth, you are really paying for an extended warranty. and I think the brakes and tires have to be within a certain level. Also I don't see why a replaced transmission would disqualify the car, if the trans was replaced by BMW it should be "as good as new"

My real question is why is that not covered by the warranty? Is it directly caused by the replacement transmission, then you may be able to place the blame on the defective transmission that came with the car that was certified pre-owned. tell your friend to contact BMW NA

[Sara]

Thanks everyone. I'll forward this information.

[Astephens94]

Originally Posted by Sara504

I looked at the check list. It wasnt exactly clear.. I guess the question is, Can a BMW that has had its transmission replaced be eligible for CPO warranty?

I don't know the answer to that one, and don't want to give you wrong information. It sounds like a case needs to be logged to BMW NA; if the car isn't running and it's CPO, then something needs to be done by BMW.

[theblackmamba]

^ WRONG.

If the problems are due to negligence (i.e. you go 20k miles without an oil change, put wrong oil in the car etc) then there is nothing that bmw will do for you -- even if you have a warranty.

[335BBS]

Originally Posted by Sara504

What exactly has to be disclosed? Received this group email today and thought you guys would be able to give me some insight.


"Mates

Anyone interested in a BMW redhibition case? I haven't done one of these and don't want to start now.

A friend bought a certfied pre-owned 2008 BMW in July 2012 which has been in the shop multiple times, won't start, and stops for no reason. It appears to have an engine sludge problem which will cost $6K to fix and isn't covered by the warranty. Friend has since learned that the car previously had the transmission replaces and that the maintenance records indicate 18K miles and 30K miles between oil changes.

What kind of certification process doesn't look at the maintenance history? Don't they have to disclose the new transmission and maintenance history? What about unfair trade practices?

I'm curious about the options, but want to refer this to someone who can help.

Jim"

I would NEVER buy a pre-owned BMW. In fact I will never buy a brand new BMW again. In the last 4000 kms they have replaced the radio, 3 injectors and plugs, steering hoses, steering pump, steering rack, hvac fan and its in for the other 3 injectors and plugs as we speak....and possible bulb failure somewhere-codes come and go. BMW knows the injectors are all bad but refuses to replace them until they quit so the customer is inconvenienced again about 4 weeks later and the dealer has to cough up another loaner for 3 more days. Absolutely ridiculous. Dealership is fantastic. Can't get rid of this 335 fast enough....but nobody wants it.