Test drove both 328 & 335 auto, were disappointed

ians · 08-13-2007, 04:47 PM

I went to test drive both the E90 328 & 335 on the weekend. The dealer dun have manual to test drive so I can only test drove both in Auto. First drove the 328 and was very disappointted with the power. It feels way less power than my 7yr old E46 328i(my E46 is manual with confoti Shark injector & confoti intake) and also my 6sp manual 4 banger TSX is also feel way more powerful than it. It even had hard time to pass a PT cruiser on the road!

Then I test drove the 335i auto. It is way more powerful, however, I feel a big hestitation on low rpm, is it just because of the auto? or is it turbo lag? I thought BMW did advertise the 335 turbo has no turbo lag. That turbo lag remains me the bad memory on my old S70 T5! So any 335 owner that coming from NA feel the turbo lag? Damn... I remember when I test drove the E90 330(manual) last year, I was quite satisfy with the power! I hope it is just because of AT... otherwise I dunno what to get! hate turbo lag! 328 not enough power for me (at least not feeling any upgrade) and dun want to get used car (so 330 is not a option at all)!

sdwilly · 08-13-2007, 04:51 PM

There is some lag (Don't know any car that has eliminated it completely), but it's minor at best. Compared to some older turbo cars I've owned this is as close to no lag as you can get.

(I have a Step).

noktekniq · 08-13-2007, 04:55 PM

go back and test the car in DS mode

BMWE90 · 08-13-2007, 04:55 PM

There is a lag when you're taking off from a stop. That's the only thing I noticed on mine (steptronic).

But yeah, DS mode will give you instant response. D= Bruce DS= Hulk

GregL · 08-13-2007, 04:56 PM

I have two things that I'd like to point out, #1 is that the power delivery of modern BMW's is so linear and turbine-like that they may not necessarily feel as fast off the line as another car that kicks you into the seat but eases off as you gain speed. #2 is that the 335 in my opinion has very very little turbo lag, probably not noticeable for the people who have never driven a turbo before and don't know what to look for, it's probably the automatic transmission that you felt was being sluggish.

Edit: +1 on DS mode.

0asis · 08-13-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ians

I went to test drive both the E90 328 & 335 on the weekend. The dealer dun have manual to test drive so I can only test drove both in Auto. First drove the 328 and was very disappointted with the power. It feels way less power than my 7yr old E46 328i(my E46 is manual with confoti Shark injector & confoti intake) and also my 6sp manual 4 banger TSX is also feel way more powerful than it. It even had hard time to pass a PT cruiser on the road!

Then I test drove the 335i auto. It is way more powerful, however, I feel a big hestitation on low rpm, is it just because of the auto? or is it turbo lag? I thought BMW did advertise the 335 turbo has no turbo lag. That turbo lag remains me the bad memory on my old S70 T5! So any 335 owner that coming from NA feel the turbo lag? Damn... I remember when I test drove the E90 330(manual) last year, I was quite satisfy with the power! I hope it is just because of AT... otherwise I dunno what to get! hate turbo lag! 328 not enough power for me (at least not feeling any upgrade) and dun want to get used car (so 330 is not a option at all)!

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Tag · 08-13-2007, 05:01 PM

How do you even quantify turbo lag? Every car has some sort of lag even if it doesn't have a turbo. Some have an ass load of power at low rpms, others at high rpms etc.

I wonder if people would still say it was turbo lag if they never knew it had turbos? Anyway I bet if it were a stick you would probably have a different opinion. Find one to test drive with a manual and give it one more chance...

Inuyasha · 08-13-2007, 05:05 PM

I've never own a turbo but there is a bit of lag from a stop or a slow roll like 5-15 mph (6sp here). Once you get pass the tiny lag it pulls well and a lot harder after 3-3.5K straight till redline!

Johnny3 · 08-13-2007, 05:06 PM

please tell me you're a French Canadian; lol. THere is definately a little turbo lag, but not much. Depending on how you drive it is almost nil. The most lag you will feel is when you go from zero throttle to WOT. It's there, but i have come to love the power delivery of this engine; it's a beast. I dynoed my car a couple of days ago and got 302 hp and 280 torque at the wheels.

alistair · 08-13-2007, 05:07 PM

Try it with the auto in DS mode.

If you still don't like it - then I guess it's just not for you.

jj thumper · 08-13-2007, 05:09 PM

One less 335 on the road is fine with me. If these cars dont impress you not sure what will. TSX, lol good luck with that.

E90330iS · 08-13-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWE90

There is a lag when you're taking off from a stop. That's the only thing I noticed on mine (steptronic).

But yeah, DS mode will give you instant response. D= Bruce DS= Hulk

isn't the Hulk slower and less responsive than bruce??

DFW_M · 08-13-2007, 05:10 PM

1) new 328 is much faster than your old one...what you feel may be different because of the refinement... I feel that my e90 is faster in cruise than B777, but that is just what I feel...
2) Maybe they gave you the 335i with dead fuel pump?

3) Maybe you should stick with the bullet TSX...

Tag · 08-13-2007, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkAgent

I've never own a turbo but there is a bit of lag from a stop or a slow roll like 5-15 mph (6sp here). Once you get pass the tiny lag it pulls well and a lot harder after 3-3.5K straight till redline!

My point exactly. The 335i is pretty much the 330i engine which is rated at 255hp/220ft. lbs with a turbo. I mean even the naturally aspirated engine has some sort of lag.

It's hard for me to really wrap my head around the idea of "turbo lag" when this engine has a full 300 ft. lbs of torque at only 1,400 rpm.

USCTrojan4Life · 08-13-2007, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ians

I went to test drive both the E90 328 & 335 on the weekend. The dealer dun have manual to test drive so I can only test drove both in Auto. First drove the 328 and was very disappointted with the power. It feels way less power than my 7yr old E46 328i(my E46 is manual with confoti Shark injector & confoti intake) and also my 6sp manual 4 banger TSX is also feel way more powerful than it. It even had hard time to pass a PT cruiser on the road!

Then I test drove the 335i auto. It is way more powerful, however, I feel a big hestitation on low rpm, is it just because of the auto? or is it turbo lag? I thought BMW did advertise the 335 turbo has no turbo lag. That turbo lag remains me the bad memory on my old S70 T5! So any 335 owner that coming from NA feel the turbo lag? Damn... I remember when I test drove the E90 330(manual) last year, I was quite satisfy with the power! I hope it is just because of AT... otherwise I dunno what to get! hate turbo lag! 328 not enough power for me (at least not feeling any upgrade) and dun want to get used car (so 330 is not a option at all)!

Coming from an Audi A4 1.8T, I gotta say that the 335i impressed me to the nth degree by the "lack" of a turbo lag. To me, coming from another turbocharged car, the 335i is as close as you're going to get of not having that lag. The power seemed to be there almost instantly. I would say that most drivers wouldn't know that this car was turbocharged if you didn't tell them. I'm not sure what you expect out of cars, but based on the cars that you mentioned you own, the 335i should be hands down faster than anything you've driven.

LACA335i · 08-13-2007, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ians

I went to test drive both the E90 328 & 335 on the weekend. The dealer dun have manual to test drive so I can only test drove both in Auto. First drove the 328 and was very disappointted with the power. It feels way less power than my 7yr old E46 328i(my E46 is manual with confoti Shark injector & confoti intake) and also my 6sp manual 4 banger TSX is also feel way more powerful than it. It even had hard time to pass a PT cruiser on the road!

Then I test drove the 335i auto. It is way more powerful, however, I feel a big hestitation on low rpm, is it just because of the auto? or is it turbo lag? I thought BMW did advertise the 335 turbo has no turbo lag. That turbo lag remains me the bad memory on my old S70 T5! So any 335 owner that coming from NA feel the turbo lag? Damn... I remember when I test drove the E90 330(manual) last year, I was quite satisfy with the power! I hope it is just because of AT... otherwise I dunno what to get! hate turbo lag! 328 not enough power for me (at least not feeling any upgrade) and dun want to get used car (so 330 is not a option at all)!

GET A 335I 6 SPD.. U WILL NOT NOTICE ANY LAG.

ians · 08-13-2007, 06:10 PM

You guys are so defensive and closed mind! I never said the 335 is slow but I just feel some lag that remind me on the old Volvo turbo in my bad memory. I rarely drive any auto, all my cars are manual so I dunno is the lag from the turbo or from the tranny. I just ask for opinion and then I got flamed like I am a troll! what a board!

KrisC · 08-13-2007, 06:46 PM

Dear ians,
I feel for you. All the money and no car to buy!

BMWE90 · 08-13-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by E90330iS

isn't the Hulk slower and less responsive than bruce??

You're talking nonsense. The hulk can move much faster (runs faster) and jump much higher than bruce. He's crazy man.

mayno · 08-13-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 0asis

Spellcheck and while you're at it, give Mr. Grammar Check a ring.

this ain't a proze and grammir forum...he can right ne-weigh he want.

mayno · 08-13-2007, 06:55 PM

oh yeah, as a few others said, test drive it again in DS mode and you'll notice a HUGE difference.

BMWDAD · 08-13-2007, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 0asis

Spellcheck and while you're at it, give Mr. Grammar Check a ring.

Now that was funny!

08-13-2007, 04:47 PM	#1
ians Major 40 Rep 1,283 Posts Drives: 08 E92 335i 6MT, 04 TSX 6MT Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	Test drove both 328 & 335 auto, were disappointed I went to test drive both the E90 328 & 335 on the weekend. The dealer dun have manual to test drive so I can only test drove both in Auto. First drove the 328 and was very disappointted with the power. It feels way less power than my 7yr old E46 328i(my E46 is manual with confoti Shark injector & confoti intake) and also my 6sp manual 4 banger TSX is also feel way more powerful than it. It even had hard time to pass a PT cruiser on the road! Then I test drove the 335i auto. It is way more powerful, however, I feel a big hestitation on low rpm, is it just because of the auto? or is it turbo lag? I thought BMW did advertise the 335 turbo has no turbo lag. That turbo lag remains me the bad memory on my old S70 T5! So any 335 owner that coming from NA feel the turbo lag? Damn... I remember when I test drove the E90 330(manual) last year, I was quite satisfy with the power! I hope it is just because of AT... otherwise I dunno what to get! hate turbo lag! 328 not enough power for me (at least not feeling any upgrade) and dun want to get used car (so 330 is not a option at all)!
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BMWE90 Major 88 Rep 1,153 Posts Drives: E90 335 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (1)	There is a lag when you're taking off from a stop. That's the only thing I noticed on mine (steptronic). But yeah, DS mode will give you instant response. D= Bruce DS= Hulk
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Tag this is the way 18435 Rep 8,584 Posts Drives: N-1 starfighter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chicago iTrader: (3)	How do you even quantify turbo lag? Every car has some sort of lag even if it doesn't have a turbo. Some have an ass load of power at low rpms, others at high rpms etc. I wonder if people would still say it was turbo lag if they never knew it had turbos? Anyway I bet if it were a stick you would probably have a different opinion. Find one to test drive with a manual and give it one more chance...
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sdwilly First Lieutenant 21 Rep 384 Posts Drives: M4 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (1)	There is some lag (Don't know any car that has eliminated it completely), but it's minor at best. Compared to some older turbo cars I've owned this is as close to no lag as you can get. (I have a Step).
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Johnny3 Second Lieutenant 12 Rep 294 Posts Drives: Black Sapphire 335i Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bellevue, WA;;;San Diego, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	please tell me you're a French Canadian; lol. THere is definately a little turbo lag, but not much. Depending on how you drive it is almost nil. The most lag you will feel is when you go from zero throttle to WOT. It's there, but i have come to love the power delivery of this engine; it's a beast. I dynoed my car a couple of days ago and got 302 hp and 280 torque at the wheels.
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alistair First Lieutenant 18 Rep 386 Posts Drives: 2013 X5 ///M Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: WA, USA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW X5///M [0.00]	Try it with the auto in DS mode. If you still don't like it - then I guess it's just not for you.
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jj thumper Private First Class 44 Rep 166 Posts Drives: 335is Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oakland Ca iTrader: (0)	One less 335 on the road is fine with me. If these cars dont impress you not sure what will. TSX, lol good luck with that.
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DFW_M Major General 1684 Rep 6,606 Posts Drives: Macan GTS Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (4)	1) new 328 is much faster than your old one...what you feel may be different because of the refinement... I feel that my e90 is faster in cruise than B777, but that is just what I feel... 2) Maybe they gave you the 335i with dead fuel pump? 3) Maybe you should stick with the bullet TSX...
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ians Major 40 Rep 1,283 Posts Drives: 08 E92 335i 6MT, 04 TSX 6MT Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	You guys are so defensive and closed mind! I never said the 335 is slow but I just feel some lag that remind me on the old Volvo turbo in my bad memory. I rarely drive any auto, all my cars are manual so I dunno is the lag from the turbo or from the tranny. I just ask for opinion and then I got flamed like I am a troll! what a board!
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KrisC kristoff 0 Rep 28 Posts Drives: 335i coupe Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Melbourne iTrader: (0)	Dear ians, I feel for you. All the money and no car to buy!
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mayno Captain 72 Rep 613 Posts Drives: 2007 335i / 2018 BMW 430i Conv Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So Cal iTrader: (0)	oh yeah, as a few others said, test drive it again in DS mode and you'll notice a HUGE difference.
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