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Since the G87 LCI also got a hp bump from 453 to 473hp the MT is now putting out exactly the same power as the base M3/4. Don't be surprised if the M2 M xDrive will get the same 503hp and 479 lb-ft of torque as the M3/4C RWD. Remember, BMW axed the "Competition" moniker for all their newer cars. They still plan to produce cars that are "Competition-like" sans the badging. The M2 xDrive is basically an M2CX. Also, since the M3/4CX got a bump to 523hp it gives the M2 xDrive some space for a further power increase. |
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But there are multiple sources saying the awd is that weight so I assumed it was correct. However, BMW site says non comp is 4100...
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I'm not sure on the regularory part but from an engineering persepctive, even a very minor change can have a domino effect. Before you know it you're hundreds of man hours into design revisions and testing just because you changed one piece of hardware. Then of course there are the changes that would have to occur on the manufacturing floor after the revised transmission is released to production. Way too big of an investment for such a small % of the market, and that's excluding the regulatory stuff I'm sure they'd have to tackle. Anyways, thanks for coming to my TEDTalk (rip 6Mt).
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But with two turbos you don't need to rev to 8000 rpm to get air in the cylinders. The 8HP 100 can handle 738 lb-ft of torque. The 8HP 76 is used in the M2/3/4 and can handle up to 561 lb-ft of torque. The 7DT75 maxes out at about the level of the 8HP 76. So ZF isn't building new DCT to get to the massive HP and torque of the cars coming into market. Also the ZF 8HP has hybrid functionality available. (XM and M5). As far as faster shifts? A DCT will always be faster but 50 vs 200 milliseconds, can you really tell? Lags on shifting? The only time there should be a lag is if the sleeves aren't holding pressure correctly. My ZF 6HP in my 335i would shift fast enough to snap your head back. I think a lot of shift time is what BMW programs in the ECU.
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No I clearly read what you said. You first said only morons shop at dealerships and then said traditional dealerships. What’s the difference? You buy your cars on Amazon or at Mikes Used Car Sales? You’re the one with the attitude. I’ve been here a lot longer than you, cowboy.
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Where do these smart people know how to negotiate? The supermarket? No, at a DEALERSHIP!! Keep putting your foot in your mouth.
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Dealers use a thing called turn and burn they get allocations based on if they sold the ones they had on the lot before the month ended (to us the dealer it ends on the 2nd of the months) regardless of customer ordered etc. BMW sees to them that they cannot sell that model car becaude it sat on the lot even if it came in the second to last day etc. it counts against BMW looks at that and sees the car didn’t deliver before the month ended for them so they give the dealer less because they expect them not to be able to handle that. Look at some other dealers esp. if you like in a rual area. My dealer got 5 allocations for January.
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In the grand scheme of what BMW sells, it's a minute %. They aren't making tons of G87s. We're on the 3rd model year & I've seen a total of 4 out in the wild, and I live in 2 pretty large (and affluent) car cities.
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I remember when some were saying there was “no business case” for an XDrive M2
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The current announcement for the 911 shows something more akin to F1 KERS (kinetic energy recovery system) with a motor in the PDK and a small battery, but nothing like a real plug in hybrid like the M5 and XM.
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They do reasonable volume. But even the highest volume dealer near me has only gotten a couple of allocations in the last few months. My dealer has a line of folks with deposits to get M2s. So the real question is why isn't BMW building more? I literally have only seen 4 M2s in the wild and I work with people that have 2 of them.
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