[Pentland]

You’d think Trump would learn from things like Brexit.

[T.R.S.]

Originally Posted by Pentland

You’d think Trump would learn from things like Brexit.

Impossible. He already knows everything. Also, he has absolutely no impulse control. He's all "react, don't think" (though I don't think thinking really works with him so we're f*cked either way).

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by T.R.S.

Impossible. He already knows everything. Also, he has absolutely no impulse control. He's all "react, don't think" (though I don't think thinking really works with him so we're f*cked either way).

Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a weak man's idea of a strong man, and a stupid man's idea of a smart man.

[Baldilocks73]

Originally Posted by Pentland

Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a weak man's idea of a strong man, and a stupid man's idea of a smart man.

Bless your heart.

I’m thrilled he’s back in office. The last four years have been disastrous.

[T.R.S.]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks73

Bless your heart.

I’m thrilled he’s back in office. The last four years have been disastrous.

"No, bend over more and spread those cheeks even wider; I swear you're really going to like it, just trust me!"

[Baldilocks73]

Originally Posted by T.R.S.

"No, bend over more and spread those cheeks even wider; I swear you're really going to like it, just trust me!"

Sounds like you’ve used that pickup line on a few guys before.

Added to ignore list.

[T.R.S.]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks73

Sounds like you’ve used that pickup line on a few guys before.

Added to ignore list.

Yeah, and I actually got you to believe it. You can try to ignore it, but it won't make it go away.

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks73

Bless your heart.

I’m thrilled he’s back in office. The last four years have been disastrous.

That’s like saying Bubonic plague is preferable to Ebola.
Trump is a liability to the globe but I wouldn’t expect his followers to consider that.

[kudos]

People should look at the bigger picture and ask what caused the majority of voters to choose the way they did. Simply complaining about the outcome and name calling won't fix the overall problem that got us to where we are today.

[MPR]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks73

Bless your heart.

I’m thrilled he’s back in office. The last four years have been disastrous.

Originally Posted by kudos

People should look at the bigger picture and ask what caused the majority of voters to choose the way they did. Simply complaining about the outcome and name calling won't fix the overall problem that got us to where we are today.

You can’t convince them to accept it, it doesn’t work

[M2M3M3]

Originally Posted by kudos

People should look at the bigger picture and ask what caused the majority of voters to choose the way they did. Simply complaining about the outcome and name calling won't fix the overall problem that got us to where we are today.

For clarity, the majority did not choose this path. About 35% did. The other 65% either chose the other path or failed to choose. The current path was not a clear mandate or landslide. We have a minority driving the country.
But the why is a good question.

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by M2M3M3

For clarity, the majority did not choose this path. About 35% did. The other 65% either chose the other path or failed to choose. The current path was not a clear mandate or landslide. We have a minority driving the country.
But the why is a good question.

TBF it’s similar in the Uk. The British public were so intent on getting the incumbent out, they didn’t consider the damage the successor would cause. Similarly, of the 60% turnout, only about 1/3rd voted labour.

[kudos]

Originally Posted by M2M3M3

For clarity, the majority did not choose this path. About 35% did. The other 65% either chose the other path or failed to choose. The current path was not a clear mandate or landslide. We have a minority driving the country.
But the why is a good question.

Well a group of people failing to even bother to choose have no say in the discussion since they chose to ignore their civic duty in the first place. No matter what side someone voted for this time, I'd like to believe in 4 years we will all have better choices than the last few elections.

[mks]

In an increasingly real way, Trump has incanted and invoked, out of his seething cauldron of cruelty and contempt, the darkly fictitious version of America he used to get elected to abhorrent life. His multiple contentions that (“most beautiful”) tariffs could be used 1) as a protectionist measures for US-owned industry, 2) as a means to replace revenue generated by taxes, and 3) as an instrument of national power (among those conceptualized under DIME-FIL) has been thoroughly debunked by economists and demonstrably disproved throughout the history of their employment. However, coming from a man who once recommend bleach to the American public as an elixir for COVID, fetishizes Arnold Palmer’s penis, Putin and “little rocket man,” blathers on inanely about toilets and windmills, and is disconcertingly at ease mocking the disabled, women, and war veterans, no one legitimately wonders at Trump’s “cognitive” capacity never mind his selfless love of humanity in general.

However, I’ll admit, despite the facts, meaningfully contextualized as they are, I may have been looking at this all wrong.

Yes, I suppose I could concede a bit and be willing to alter my perspective.

How’s this…

Given the sundry list of his of impairments, one can indisputably conclude that Trump may be the most exemplary DEI hire we’ve ever had in the White House.

I’ve already commented in this forum extensively about the nature, history, and current use of tariffs. Here is a partial list of sources for review.

PIIE: https://www.piie.com/blogs/realtime-...mps-trade-deal
PIIE: https://www.piie.com/search?search_api_fulltext=Tariffs
CFR: https://www.cfr.org/blog/92-percent-...-angry-farmers
CRS: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11030
TF: https://taxfoundation.org/blog/tarif...e-food-prices/
TF: https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/tariffs/
TF: https://taxfoundation.org/research/a...ffs-trade-war/
EWG: https://farm.ewg.org/
EWG: https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps...der-trump/map/ (Agriculture Risk Coverage and Price Loss Coverage Map)
WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/economy/trade/ch...ugher-8e9e3e21
Atlantic Council: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...ect-this-time/
BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-43512098
CATO: https://www.cato.org/publications/pr...934#conclusion

[Malthusian]

Folks, I implore you... let's not devolve into political discourse. There are plenty of forums to spout our personal beliefs... (this is a car enthusiast forum, after all).

Trying to get this back to the effect of TODAY'S tariffs on our production... TRS mentioned hearing from an SA that it would not affect cars already in production. Is that BMWUSA's official position? Not sure how that could be the case due to the tariff being assessed at Customs. But I'm hopeful that BMW will eat it, hoping for the tariff to be reversed at some point.

Ironically my car started production on January 20th, and is currently waiting for a ship to USA. The anxiety is killing me. Timing is everything.

[mks]

Originally Posted by Malthusian

Folks, I implore you... let's not devolve into political discourse. There are plenty of forums to spout our personal beliefs... (this is a car enthusiast forum, after all).

Concur...mostly. Hard not to agree with the call to limit overtly caustic discourse; however, despite a tinge of attitude, I don’t pick up on that vibe here—certainly not in comparison to the mean-spirited, often ill-informed, rebarbative vitriol some believe passes for debate on social media and the odd podcast.

However, given the current climate, subject matter of this nature and the title of this thread, “Trump Tariffs,” invites the very discourse a mere “car forum” may wish to avoid. One might argue, given the subject matter, that the two aspects of this ostensibly singular theme are inextricably linked. Much in the same way that “tariffs” are at once the concern of economics and, more and more blatantly, politics. Tariffs are in fact a tool of both concerns. In this case, the title doesn’t say “How will tariffs impact vehicles already in production?” It set the course of the discussion in advance by titling the thread, “Trump Tariffs.” It asks for the very level and tenor of discourse on display here. Perhpas it didn't mean too...but there it is.

I don’t view the combination of the two concerns as counterproductive and I also don’t mind listening to other points of view—particularly those that may run counter to my own. I could always learn something and often do. The question is can one accept it…that is a struggle but one of which I’m aware and not afraid. Forums are precisely those spaces for public discussion that informs the larger marketplace of ideas. And we should be talking to each other.

Beyond all that, the impact of tariffs will affect more than one's car order--which can always be canceled. One can't quite cancel groceries. However, the level of concern here means that people (all of us here in this forum) are efforting to find answers among all the BS. That's a good thing and why I keep participating.

And so it begins: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...a-mexico-china

[mencio]

Talked to my SA and he also said that right now they don’t have any information from BMW NA and are waiting to hear more.

But he did says he had an allocation for an M3 and so I did order one precautionary in case we do see a price increase. I guess I now have both an M2 and M3 in production, both manual cars. As if waiting wasn’t hard enough I now am going to punder which one to get lol

[angermgmt20]

IF the tariffs happen and I read this correctly, it sounds like if it was already on a ship as of 02/01/25 then no tariff. This was also about Canada tariffs, the date may not apply to Mexico. I'm not an expert and could have got the wrong info so take that with a grain of salt.

[Iggy23]

Originally Posted by angermgmt20

IF the tariffs happen and I read this correctly, it sounds like if it was already on a ship as of 02/01/25 then no tariff. I'm not an expert and could have got the wrong info so take that with a grain of salt.

I believe the tariff is imposed at the port of entry of the arriving country when it arrives.

[Baldilocks73]

Originally Posted by Pentland

That’s like saying Bubonic plague is preferable to Ebola.
Trump is a liability to the globe but I wouldn’t expect his followers to consider that.

You believe what you’re saying? Who’s weak policies have brought the world to the brink of global conflict? That’s right, it wasn’t orange man.

He’s what this country needs and I hope Vance will keep the ball rolling for another 8 years.

I’ll gladly pay the tariffs. Like i said before. I’ll put my money where my vote is. What’s another $3500 in the grand scheme of things? I’ll just forgo the M performance exhaust. 😜

[Baldilocks73]

Originally Posted by kudos

People should look at the bigger picture and ask what caused the majority of voters to choose the way they did. Simply complaining about the outcome and name calling won't fix the overall problem that got us to where we are today.

I could come up with a lot of reasons but they won’t be politically correct. 👍

[mks]

Originally Posted by Iggy23

I believe the tariff is imposed at the port of entry of the arriving country when it arrives.

Correct. Duty is collected at entry by Customs and Border Protection.